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I understand the workings of the Carroll deal offset against the ludicrous sale of Torres (although the whole thing is still ridiculous), but £20 million for a winger with no end product is insane.

It's the Carroll bit that still baffles me. There are meant to be people at clubs like these with business acumen. The value of something does not increase just because you have more money in your pocket. I liked Carroll at Newcastle but he's a very specific type of player and pretty one dimensional, so to spend that kind of money on him is just insane. He was NEVER going to live up to that price tag.

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The problem with Carroll is he's a bit of a square peg in a round hole at Liverpool. They just don't play the type of football he's good at there. I actually rate him as a player but he's carrying about a stone too much weight and he's struggling to adapt to the pace Liverpool seem intent on playing. Is he worth £35m, hell no, £10-15m max, but he is a good player.

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I thought I'd seen a response to this article somewhere. Turns out it was a response to a different piece echoing similar sentiments, but here it is:

http://matadornetwork.com/sports/soccer-is-a-republican-sport/

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I've always maintained that Downing is pish. Over-rated to the max. If he played in any other league, he'd be a £5m player at the most. And even that would be a waste of money. I'd rather have Charlie Mulgrew playing left midfield than Stewart Downing (does he still play on the left). Mulgrew can whip a good ball into the box and scores a heap of free-kicks.

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The problem with Carroll is he's a bit of a square peg in a round hole at Liverpool. They just don't play the type of football he's good at there. I actually rate him as a player but he's carrying about a stone too much weight and he's struggling to adapt to the pace Liverpool seem intent on playing. Is he worth £35m, hell no, £10-15m max, but he is a good player.

That echoes my thoughts. He's great at what he does but what he does isn't a great deal of use to Liverpool. Instead of losinv g astone tho, I reckon he should get on the gear, put on 3 stone and get absoutely hench and just be like an enforcer in ice hockey, patrolling the 18yd box and crushing fools.

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Liverpool fans keep banging on about net transfer spend because of the Torres deal but it's hardly good reasoning since 2003 they have the 3rd worse net transfer spend only behind the sugar daddy clubs. The prices they payed in summer were nothing short of ridiculous and they are reaping the rewards of that.

It's all fine though, King Kenny is leading them to glory, these transfers had nothing to do with him. He clearly didn't ok them before Commolli bought them.

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Liverpoo fansl keep banging on about net transfer spend because of the Torres deal but it's hardly good reasoning since 2003 they have the 3rd worse net transfer spend only behind the sugar daddy clubs. The prices they payed in summer were nothing short of ridiculous and they are reaping the rewards of that.

It's all fine though, King Kenny is leading them to glory, these transfers had nothing to do with him. He clearly didn't ok them before Commolli bought them.

THEY WON THE LEAGUE CUP!!

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That's actually a really tricky run-in. If i could be bothered, i'd look up City's remaining games and make some half-arsed, ill-informed predictions.

City have Norwich away at the weekend (possibly tough, but Norwich look knackered after having a good season so far), Wolves away (guarenteed 3 points and a +4 of goal difference), Man United at home (I predict a City win), Newcastle away (could be tough, but again, suffering from a bit of over-achieving fatigue like Norwich, but Newcastle haven't lost at home since November, pre-Papiss) and home to QPR on the last day (QPR will take a pounding and put all the pressure on United to win a tricky away game at Sunderland, if the title goes down to the wire).

I still favour United, as they would have to lose 2 games and City would have to win all their remaining games just to win the league by a point. I think City will draw at Newcastle, but win the rest.

If my predictions are right - United beat Villa and Swansea, but draw to Everton, and Sunderland and lose to City, and City beat everyone except a draw at Newcastle - both teams would finish on 85 points exactly. So, I hope I'm wrong.

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Defending their spending with the net figures argument is Liverpool logic at it's most delusional. They still made horrific decisions in the transfer market it doesn't matter at all that the money they were wasting came from getting a good price for Torres.

If I went into a casino with a hundred quid and came out with nothing it would make no difference in the long run if I had at one stage been up 5 grand. Except that I'd feel like a big tit for losing it all. Just how Liverpool should feel.

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Apparently United have agreed a deal with Benfica for Nicholas Gaitan. £22million plus Bebe (LOL) and either Frederico Macheda (LOL) or Davide Petrucci. Hope it's the former two. Petrucci looks great. Especially if Pogba follows Morrison out the door, Petrucci is the only youth starlet left.

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