The Tilted Wig

[Chi 666]

this pub has the best juke box in aberdeen.

i put on a akercocke song followed by sworn enemy!

you can find pretty much any band in that thing!

[ClicheGuevara]

Oof, you're saying it's better than The Moorings?

I don't see everyone agreeing with that

[Old Gold]

Flash is going to have some choice words with you...

[Fast Caz]

Yeah i would agree the jukebox is dogs balls !

[Guest Craig C]

Am I right in thinking that you can download songs to the jukebox? (In Tilted Wig)

Or am I talking shite?

[Benji]

The Jukkie in the East Neuk is better!

Although the place is a skanky hoa.

[Teabags]

Aye, okay, soy uo can listen to everything. But its far too quiet, and it costs what....1 a song?

Fuck that, 'mon the Moorings.

[Chi 666]

the moorings has a good box like, but it has limited songs, this thing will play nearly every band you can think of.

i think its fuckin fantastic!

[Teabags]

I knwo, but a 1 per song, compared to 1 for 5 songs.......and the moorings one is still growing in size. and you can hear it.

[HeinzHines]

Chi is speakin' shite

[Flash@TMB]

Soon everywhere will have the Internet MP3 jukeboxes (apart from us). All the jukebox operators are switching to them. The reason we built our own jukebox was so that we wouldn't have to install an Internet one. The disadvantages, as I see them, are:

1) People can put ANYTHING on, so the chances are that you'll have to sit through at leat an hour of Kylie and Will Young before Sworn Enemy comes on... unless it's quiet. The finding anything 'benefit' cuts both ways.

2) It costs 1 to download a song. And even pre-installed gash tends to be expensive.

3) The downloads only remain available on the hard drive for a limited time before it gets deleted and you have to pay another pound to download it again.

4) Most of these things play through their own internal speakers and the sound quality is rank. They have more in common with a bandit than a HiFi.

5) Assuming one gets hooked up to a decent sound system AND the pub is quiet, then you can expect to hear the poor quality of the low bandwidth MP3... errr shining through.

[davewarden]

Why would anyone want to listen to akercocke anyway?

[french_disko]

1) People can put ANYTHING on' date=' so the chances are that you'll have to sit through at leat an hour of Kylie and Will Young before Sworn Enemy comes on... unless it's quiet. The finding anything 'benefit' cuts both ways.

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here's why it's ace in shite pubs........

Wyatting (vb): when jukeboxes go mad

Ned Beauman

Monday July 10, 2006

The Guardian

Robert Wyatt: the perfect way to clear a pub

Just as the best way to judge an adult is by his or her record collection, the best way to judge a pub is by the albums on its jukebox. Or it was, until the 21st-century caught up with the noisy machine in the corner. There are now nearly 2,000 internet-connected jukeboxes in the UK, each of which can access as many as 2m tracks - and with them has come Wyatting, which is either a fearless act of situationist cultural warfare or a nauseatingly snobbish prank, depending on who you ask.

The phenomenon was first identified in the New York Times by Wendy McClure. She was in a grimy rock bar when someone pulled up Brian Eno's Thursday Afternoon, which consists of a single distant piano phrase repeated for more than an hour, and found herself too mesmerised to leave. "Imagine replacing the brass cylinder in a music box with a Mbius strip made from nerve endings," she wrote. The rest of the bar's patrons , however, were soon in revolt.

This wasn't to be an isolated incident. After music critic Simon Reynolds linked to McClure's article on his weblog, several of his readers wrote in to confess that this is a game they regularly play. Carl Neville, a 36-year-old English teacher from London, coined the term "Wyatting" because sticking on Dondestan, the 1991 avant-garde jazz-rock LP by ex-Soft Machine singer Robert Wyatt, is the perfect way to disrupt a busy Friday night in a high street pub. Other favourites are Evan Parker, who plays the soprano and tenor saxophones, and surrealist Japanese noise producer Merzbow. In theoretical terms, Wyatting has been explained as enacting the theories of Adorno, who believed that subverting pop music would help to bring down capitalism. Alternatively, if you listen to Neville, it's simply "childish, futile, but finally hilarious".

Inevitably a backlash has arrived with other bloggers claiming Wyatting is just a way for those who feel superior, both in terms of class and musical taste, to bait those beneath them. But Inspired Broadcast Networks, which run most of the internet jukeboxes in the UK, insists it has not unleashed a monster.

"Most people won't spend money on making the pub an irritating environment," says Anne de Kerckhove, Inspired's chief operating officer. If landlords do have problems with inappropriate selections, she says, it is usually hip-hop with lots of swearing and in that case, "they can kill a track while it's playing and reimburse the customer". Has she thought of limiting the available tracks to those appropriate for drinking and socialising? "The minute we say, 'You can't play that,' then people want to play that. We're all a bit contrarian in nature."

Perhaps Wyatting will be added to flicking peanuts and talking loudly about your sex life as Adorno behaviour. But what about the man after whom this controversial sport was named? "I think it's really funny," says the 61-year-old Robert Wyatt, whose most recent album, Cuckooland, was nominated for the 2004 Mercury music prize. "I'm very honoured at the idea of becoming a verb." Would he ever try it himself? "Oh no. I don't really like disconcerting people. Although often when I try to be normal I disconcert anyway".

[Lemonade]

Tilted Wig is my favourite bar in the city. All the best nights out start there!

[KarmaTsunami]

moorings jukebox is my favourite.

[french_disko]

Ah' date=' so that's what it's called. I used a similar technique years ago when I was a barman and I fancied a quiet shift. The bar was a typical aul' mannies pub, with a severely limited jukebox selection. Jim Reeves, Dean Martin and Patsy Cline were staples. There were a few gems in there that were designed to irritate the living hell out of the average punter though.

Top 5 songs to clear the Bells Lounge on a Friday night;

1.Alabama Song-David Bowie

2.Heroin-The Velvet Underground

3.Tell Me Baby-Bob Dylan (from the Bootleg Series 4, crazy feedback made ten times worse by the godawful speakers)

4.You Love Us-Manic Street Preachers

5.White Riot-The Clash

"Himmin, fit's this shite?"

"You don't like it, drink somewhere else"

*evil cackle*[/quote']

Before I moved through here, my local asked my mates and me what CDs we'd like on the jukebox. Through the limited choice available to us we managed to get a few decents ones. Personal favourite choices every day I was in after that was the first two tracks on Underworld's "Second Toughest In The Infants" (juanita-kiteless-to dream of love and banstyle-sappys curry) which would run to about 32 mins in total. Cue a few disgruntled auld mannies with their half pints and nips.....

[R.Borlax]

some mates of mine selected eddy grants "electric avenue" almost an endless amount of times on the jukebox at rileys, but after the fith time it played a bar member changed it

[Bodast]

I'm quietly outraged that the verb that they gave to Robert Wyatt is something so common, that just anyone can do. But if he thinks it's funny I suppose it must be okay.

I love Robert Wyatt. Seeing his own words there in the quotation marks just gave my heart a blast of warmth which it wasn't expecting. I'm gon' go read some Soft Machine interviews.

x 100

[Flash@TMB]

Tilted Wig is my favourite bar in the city. All the best nights out start there!

For a spell around 1993-1997 I was drinking their almost all the time because they sold Addlestones and had a pinball machine. Quite often we'd stay there all night.

And even earlier in the late 80s it was a distinctly rock orientated bar. Along with The Blue Lamp, The Satellite Bar, Cafe Drummond, and The Moorings, it was always somewhere we tried to visit on our pub crawls.

Many a good night spent there. They used to have church pew seating.

[ClicheGuevara]

Out of interest, what bitrate does the songs stream at on these internet jukeboxes?

[Chi 666]

Chi is speakin' shite

why? because i like the jukebox?

i think that it is a good idea, this whole mp3 jukebox thing. i mean soon enough every jukebox will be one of these so the prices will fall. just like everything else thats brand new.

i just like the fact that i can put on any old shite i want (yeh! for like a 1 Bla bla bla)

[davewarden]

Well the Moorins wont be getting one.

I dont think the prices will go down if people are already willing to fork out a quid for a song the companies wont bother lowering the price.

A pound for 3 and half minutes...fuck right off!

[Old Gold]

You'd think they'd give a pretty decent discount on tracks seeing as people are going to compulsively slot cash in the ol' pub jukebox anyway.

You can buy songs legally for a quid on your own computer and listen to them as many times as you want after all

[Flash@TMB]

Out of interest' date=' what bitrate does the songs stream at on these internet jukeboxes?[/quote']

I investigated this in detail late last year, so things may have changed but...

The techology they use is quite old, although they refer to it as mature. The jukeboxes are generally equippped with a 40GB hard drive, and are dun dun dun "Powered by Microsoft", therefore we can safely assume that there is around 35Gb free for music. A CD of full wave audio has a capacity of 650MB. So roughly (in my head) that's around 50CDs worth of capacity. Not very much really! Given the ammount of stuff they come preloaded with, there is clearly a lot of compression going on. And when a track is downloaded, the jukebox collects it faily quickly, now bearing in mind that a single track is likely to be somewhere in the region of 50MB in size, it should take a little while to download, so again this would appear to be heavily compressed.

As far as the jukebox companies are concerned, the lower bandwidth + smaller (cheaper) hard drive + more tunes = the most commercial gain. Plus they factor in that pubs are likely to be noisy therefore sound quality is unimportant, provided you have volume.

But they do have a point! Under most circumstances the sound quality doesn't matter, and most people won't notice.

We try to offer a superior listening experience, but this only appeals to a very small minority, and only works during quiet periods. As soon as people start talking, or get drunk, or the bar gets noisy then you may as well be listening to a really shit MP3 LOL!

For most establishments these Internet jukeboxes are the best way forward. What we're doing takes a ridiculous ammont of effort and is prohibitively expensive. Just hope that a few people appreciate it LOL.

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Top 5 songs to clear the Bells Lounge on a Friday night;

1.Alabama Song-David Bowie

2.Heroin-The Velvet Underground

3.Tell Me Baby-Bob Dylan (from the Bootleg Series 4' date=' crazy feedback made ten times worse by the godawful speakers)

4.You Love Us-Manic Street Preachers

5.White Riot-The Clash

"Himmin, fit's this shite?"

"You don't like it, drink somewhere else"

*evil cackle*[/quote']

This reminds me of constantly putting on All Apologies by Nirvana on the RGU jukebox when I was in 1st year. Cue classic Nirvana, 30 minutes of silence, then 7 minutes of less than classic Nirvana. I'll die a happy man if I can find a jukebox with Washing Machine by Sonic Youth on it...