Soda Jerk Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I hate Chelsea, but that's mental. First red was justified. Second red was just outrageous. No chance was that a dive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Is that a second yellow? I'm following the live text, sort of, but it hasn't updated yet.Edit: Has now, carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I have Ivanovic and Torres in my fantasy football team. My bad start to the season just got worse They may as well send Hazard off to and make my score for the week negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Taken the lead with an offside goal. This is poor stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Shocking decisions were all well and good when Liverpool were suffering earlier but this is outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fertuiee Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Dodgy decisions for sure, but i dont think ive ever seen a game where 2 players have been booked or sent off for simulation, sign of things to come?. Lest hope.P.S anyone else hear the guy in the crowd shouting about someones ( i assume Clattenberg ) wife taking it up the arse? haha! mustve been stood next to a mic of some description, would never have happened on the bbc!! ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Shocking decisions were all well and good when Liverpool were suffering earlier but this is outrageous.Exactly. Even as a United fan, it's unbelievable. I didn't even cheer when Hernandez scored. That game could have ended in a riot. I believe one of the stewards got injured by a missile when Hernandez scored. It could have escalated. Clattenburg will need to drive home in a bulletproof Pope-mobile. Poor stuff. Don't think United would have won even with Chelsea down to 10 men. It was the second red that killed them.It's tough, because the governing bodies are telling refs to clamp down on diving, but they just don't have the capacity to judge dives from real time challenges. He's doing what has been asked of him, but he's got it wrong because it should realistically be well out of his remit. If they want to punish divers, they need to be reviewed from replays after the game, and not when 2 plays are running at full speed and tumbling. Unless you're a Jedi, you just don't have the vision to judge that. He also booked Valencia for diving late in the second half, and that was a total nonsense call too, as there was contact, but it was just a coming together rather than a foul, as Mikel appeared to get the ball.Who'd be a ref, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fertuiee Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Exactly. Even as a United fan, it's unbelievable. I didn't even cheer when Hernandez scored. That game could have ended in a riot. I believe one of the stewards got injured by a missile when Hernandez scored. It could have escalated. Clattenburg will need to drive home in a bulletproof Pope-mobile. Poor stuff. Don't think United would have won even with Chelsea down to 10 men. It was the second red that killed them.It's tough, because the governing bodies are telling refs to clamp down on diving, but they just don't have the capacity to judge dives from real time challenges. He's doing what has been asked of him, but he's got it wrong because it should realistically be well out of his remit. If they want to punish divers, they need to be reviewed from replays after the game, and not when 2 plays are running at full speed and tumbling. Unless you're a Jedi, you just don't have the vision to judge that. He also booked Valencia for diving late in the second half, and that was a total nonsense call too, as there was contact, but it was just a coming together rather than a foul, as Mikel appeared to get the ball.Who'd be a ref, eh?Definately difficult, suppose its not that far removed from the debate about goal - line technology, in that these decisions directly / greatly influence games so often, to be fair Torres stays on his feet...hes beaten the last man...i personally dont see the problem with a ref making a decision based on what he sees, how far removed from anything else is it? a penalty, foul etc.....you can only make a decision on what you can see? i dunno.Not sure how many refs would thank me for saying that haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I think you can only make a call if you're 100% certain, and not just "it probably was a dive, but I don't know". If it's not as clear as day to the human eye, then it really shouldn't be given as a dive. He looked to have been tripped to me, so it should have been a Chelsea free kick in a good position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Due to a bit of a hangover I was very sleepy and not really able to pay full attention during the game. My brain was completely boggled when I saw that second red card. I was sure something had to be wrong. I have to be fair and recognise that as a big team Chelsea probably benefit from a lot of dodgy decisions against lower sides but against such a rival those two big decisions against us is really hard to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Apparently Chelsea have accused Mark Clattenburg of being racist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 They've accused him of using abusive language against two players. In one case it's believed to be of a racist nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 How ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Hope it's a serious accusation and not just dragging this whole thing out. If it's not serious, I hope they fine the fuck out of Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Due to a bit of a hangover I was very sleepy and not really able to pay full attention during the game. My brain was completely boggled when I saw that second red card. I was sure something had to be wrong.I have to be fair and recognise that as a big team Chelsea probably benefit from a lot of dodgy decisions against lower sides but against such a rival those two big decisions against us is really hard to take.Always seems to happen between United and Chelsea. Last season, with the penalties, one of which was right, and one which was totally soft. Though Chelsea benefitted the season before (or maybe it was the season before that) where they won 1-0 with an offside goal, from a free kick which shouldn't have been. Drogba scored with an offside goal at Old Trafford a couple of years back too, so it's not as if they are the only victims of it. It happens.It's a shame that the contoversy is masking how awesome De Gea was. The free kick was a shame, as the wall was shite and it didn't even jump, but other than that, he was immense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Apparently Chelsea have accused Mark Clattenburg of being racist?"Allegedly" he called Mata a "Spanish twat" and Obi Mikel a "cheeky monkey". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 The free kick was annoying because he'd set his wall up wrong. That was his fault. As a keeper, you set your wall to cover one side of the goal while you cover the other. He left a gap on his right hand side. Basic goalkeeping. What would've made that result even better with the controversy would have been if it was against Liverpool. But they got screwed over in the derby, so it's not all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted October 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 If he did say cheeky monkey then I wouldn't have thought he meant it in a racist manner, more in terms of what you would call a child for being a bit mischievous. Mata, well, he's Spanish, and he's a twat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 From what I saw, he set his wall up reasonably enough, then for some reason Evra, Cleverley and Valencia joined on the end right before it was taken, and pushed the wall sideways. The wall was huge. Nearly every outfield player in there. Then a few Chelsea players joined. Nobody jumped. It was a shambles. Those 3 joining on the end made it difficult for De Gea to see the ball coming from that side, and that's the side they scored at. Probably a little harsh to blame De Gea for players all piling in after he's organised the wall.At least it was a former Liverpool player who got sent off. He has a Liverpool tattoo, and probably a scouse accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 If he did say cheeky monkey then I wouldn't have thought he meant it in a racist manner, more in terms of what you would call a child for being a bit mischievous. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Are Chelsea really complaining over "cheeky monkey"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Torres probably should have been sent off for that anyway, so it's not really so bad that he got sent off eventually afterall. That was a total Cantona kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 i dunno about you guys but when I'm around a Black person the word 'Monkey' just doesn't get used. We could be watching attenborough together and I wouldn't even say it.Political correctness gone mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flights Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 If that ref gets a bollocking for that I may stop watching the EPL. It's turned into a fucking pantomime these days. In the papers today it's all about Chelsea complaining and Suarez doing a Klinsmann. Absolute joke, I want football not all this fucking nonsense.Also Rio Ferdinand is doing my head in at the moment. He is hands down the most boring player to read about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 Also Rio Ferdinand is doing my head in at the moment. He is hands down the most boring player to read about.For me, he is tied with Wayne Bridge. That debacle from a couple of years back felt like it went on forever, all because of some affair. I don't think I've seen Wayne Bridge play more than 3 or 4 games of football. Is he even still alive?I hope Chelsea get laughed at for such a tedious complaint. There is a rumour he called Mata a "Spanish twat" but that sounds far too ridiculous to be true. Who would even say that? English twats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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