Scootray Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 They hardly severely underachieved either. They lost 3 of their best players, two of which were vital, and yet went a full season losing only 3 games in the domestic season. Hardly a disastrous way for a season to pan out. Ontop of that, they yet again made it through CL qualifiers and made the group stages. I'm really not sure what people expect considering our top division is probably ranked around 25/26th strongest in Europe. I would say not winning all 3 domestic cups is a massive underachievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah, especially considering they cant enter one of them....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 David Moyes is being investigated by Police over an alleged Wine Bar Assault. Fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah, especially considering they cant enter one of them....... Eh? League, league cup & Scottish cup? They should have won all 3 with the resources they have. To suggest otherwise is mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Eh? League, league cup & Scottish cup? They should have won all 3 with the resources they have. To suggest otherwise is mental.Not many people refer to the league as a cup, that's where the confusion is stemming from. Though, it's fucking mental to suggest that Celtic are massively underachieving if they are not winning the domestic treble every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Eh? League, league cup & Scottish cup? They should have won all 3 with the resources they have. To suggest otherwise is mental. The league isn't a Cup, it's a league. There are 3 domestic cups, one of them is only for lower league clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Eh? League, league cup & Scottish cup? They should have won all 3 with the resources they have. To suggest otherwise is mental. Yeah the league isnt a cup, its a league. The 3 domestic cups in Scotland are the League Cup, Scottish Cup and Ramsdens cup. Celtic can only enter two of them. No club has the right to a domestic treble every season, it doesnt matter what their finances are like. Any team can have an off day, in a cup one off day is enough to see you knocked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeasmile Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Not many people refer to the league as a cup, that's where the confusion is stemming from. Though, it's fucking mental to suggest that Celtic are massively underachieving if they are not winning the domestic treble every season. It's also pretty mental to suggest they aren't under achieving by being knocked out of both cups in the early stages. But that's the beauty of cup football I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 It's also pretty mental to suggest they aren't under achieving by being knocked out of both cups in the early stages. But that's the beauty of cup football I guess.Agreed, but that's not what Fuddingtons was saying. I would say not winning all 3 domestic cups is a massive underachievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Yeah they clearly under achieved in the domestic cups, i still dont think that classes as massively underachieving for the season, but they should have done better in the cups, especially the league cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 In the last 20 years Celtic have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 12 of them, about a third - pretty good by any measure. In the last 20 years Aberdeen have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 2 of them, which is a 5% success rate, fucking horrendous by any measure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Edited May 22, 2014 by Adam Easy Wishes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeasmile Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 In the last 20 years Celtic have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 12 of them, about a third - pretty good by any measure. In the last 20 years Aberdeen have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 2 of them, which is a 5% success rate, fucking horrendous by any measure. The difference in resources makes that statement completely irrelevant; it's just a dig at Aberdeen more than anything else. In fact, during the time period you've mentioned no team outside of the Old Firm has won a domestic cup more than three times (Hearts). In the 20 years previous to that (1974-1994) Celtic entered 40 and won 9 of them, with Aberdeen winning 8 of the 40 they entered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 In the last 20 years Celtic have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 12 of them, about a third - pretty good by any measure. In the last 20 years Aberdeen have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 2 of them, which is a 5% success rate, fucking horrendous by any measure. Yeah thats a pretty rubbish statement considering the resources the two old firm clubs have had for the past 20 years, your just digging at Aberdeen which you did earlier in the thread but everyone just ignored it. Still the last Scottish club to win anything in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) It's a comparison of the club under discussion and the club most people on here support. You can call it a dig if you want but it wasn't meant that way. The response to Aberdeen winning the League Cup was understandable - but you have to admit there were an awful lot of brand new Dons fans banging on about the Sheep being on fire. Of course success is relative, but Celtic have hardly comprehensively bottled the domestic cups or under achieved. It's funny that you guys are happy to have a go at other clubs but get a little bleaty when your own lack of success is highlighted...........here was me thinking that Sheep had thicker skins. Edited May 22, 2014 by colb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eupraxia Posted May 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Here was me thinking you were a rational, measured man with a solid ability to debate with reason and relevant points. It seems to me that you're the one becoming hugely defensive. The responses are just putting your spurious comment into perspective for the sake of sound reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Here was me thinking you were a rational, measured man with a solid ability to debate with reason and relevant points. It seems to me that you're the one becoming hugely defensive. The responses are just putting your spurious comment into perspective for the sake of sound reason. Except my comment wasn't spurious, it was true. Edited May 22, 2014 by colb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeasmile Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 In the last 20 years Celtic have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 12 of them, about a third - pretty good by any measure. In the last 20 years Aberdeen have entered 40 Domestic cup competitions and won 2 of them, which is a 5% success rate, fucking horrendous by any measure. It's this point here; it's not like other clubs who are relatively the same as Aberdeen in terms of stature and resources have done any better. The most horrendous thing about it was waiting almost 20 years between the first and second one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 It's this point here; it's not like other clubs who are relatively the same as Aberdeen in terms of stature and resources have done any better. The most horrendous thing about it was waiting almost 20 years between the first and second one! Fair enough. Put it in perspective of a response to the comments about under achieving though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Jan, you're a fuddington for using the word fuddington.Anyway, I can't see how not winning the treble is anything but an underachievement. Look at the quality of their squad, look how much they've spent compared to all the other teams. If I was chairman, I'd expect nothing less.Lennon is a shit manager and he underachieved in probably the most piss easy situation he'll find himself in as a football manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Oh and I called the league a cup. Boo hoo, ye cunts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 You say quality of the squad but it's pretty bang average. That squad would struggle for playoffs in the championship and have been selling all their good players. I'm sure Celtic would hope for a double most seasons but expecting the treble is pretty mental. Even good teams can slip up easily in one off games especially with the extra CL games Celtic had to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 David Moyes is being investigated by Police over an alleged Wine Bar Assault. Fantastic. You can take the boy out of Glasgow, and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) Almost every Celtic fan I know is rightly disappointed by the club's performance in the cup competitions in the last few seasons. Celtic are so far ahead of the rest that they should be targeting the treble. It shouldn't be expected as guaranteed but it is a very realistic target and not getting close is failure. Losing at home to Morton, a club which got relegated from the Championship and conceded 10 goals in one game against Hamilton, is something which should never happen. Edit - In Lennon's four full seasons Celtic won 2 out of the 8 domestic cup competitions they entered. This is the same as the previous four seasons, despite what happened to Rangers and Celtic being stronger in the league. Edited May 22, 2014 by Paranoid Android Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 Surely as a Celtic fan the only thing left to care about is the Champions league no? A better showing in the champs league and I'd say Lennon was a success. All he's done is held the place together, it's not like they're moving on leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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