Want to play up to 800 people?

[Teabags]

So say I turned up for one of your Battle of the Bands.

I'm playing in a grind band that's toured, got their live sound sorted and are rather tight.

Also in this battle are Shutterspeed, and some old rock band.

Old rock band wins, cos well, grindcore isn't actually accessible.

Old rock band offered this life changing 800 attendence forum gig supporting Australian Pink Floyd or some otehr big tribute band.

Old rockers can't make it.

So now, 2nd place, the grindcore band, you're going to put them on, in the forum, with Aussie Pink Floyd?

I mean, you'd have to. Because Shutterspeed are terrible and can't play worth a fuck. And if you didn't, your battle of the bands would have been a complete and utter farce.

Probably typed a lot more than I needed to there.

Basically, Battle of the Bands are a heap of shit. And no, I don't want the chance to play in a big hall to a bunch of people that don't like my band supporting a band I don't like.

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

I had hoped you would infer a "no" by my above post.

Playing original songs to a heaving Barrowlands was fun though.

In that case maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, if you haven't done it like

I'm not getting into a I've done more than you, in a bigger and better venue argument, I got over that s**t about 20 years ago. Although big respect for achieving the chance to play a heaving Barrowlands with your own music

[jon]

In that case maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself, if you haven't done it like

I'm not getting into a I've done more than you, in a bigger and better venue argument, I got over that s**t about 20 years ago. Although big respect for achieving the chance to play a heaving Barrowlands with your own music

You misunderstand me. You were basically saying "you can't have an opinion, you've not played covers in front of lots of people".

My response is simply no I haven't, but I have done so with original material, so my opinion is just as valid as yours. No more, no less.

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

So say I turned up for one of your Battle of the Bands.

I'm playing in a grind band that's toured, got their live sound sorted and are rather tight.

Also in this battle are Shutterspeed, and some old rock band.

Old rock band wins, cos well, grindcore isn't actually accessible.

Old rock band offered this life changing 800 attendence forum gig supporting Australian Pink Floyd or some otehr big tribute band.

Old rockers can't make it.

So now, 2nd place, the grindcore band, you're going to put them on, in the forum, with Aussie Pink Floyd?

I mean, you'd have to. Because Shutterspeed are terrible and can't play worth a fuck. And if you didn't, your battle of the bands would have been a complete and utter farce.

Probably typed a lot more than I needed to there.

Basically, Battle of the Bands are a heap of shit. And no, I don't want the chance to play in a big hall to a bunch of people that don't like my band supporting a band I don't like.

Well if your music wasn't accessible you'd have come third wouldn't you, cause no one would have come to see you? So even if the old rock dudes couldn't make it, Shutterspeed in second place would get the gig.

I love the way certian people (in life, not just on AMF) rave on about how much better original music is, and that true talent and creativity is only involved around original music, then totally knocks a band who is putting heart and sole into everything they do!

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

You misunderstand me. You were basically saying "you can't have an opinion, you've not played covers in front of lots of people".

My response is simply no I haven't, but I have done so with original material, so my opinion is just as valid as yours. No more, no less.

You said, that why anyone would want play to a festival or 800 people with covers was beyond you. What I am saying is, until you have experienced it, how do you know it wouldn't be as rewarding? Cause I've done both, not on the same stage mind you, and I got just as big a buzz with one as the other

[jon]

Ah, in that case fair enough. I did play one festival as part of a 8 piece rock 'n' roll band, "reinterpreting" various songs. Although it was a laugh, to me, it was no more than that. If we're talking about artistic satisfaction, I didn't get it from the covers, although I did get drunk and pull out increasingly bollock crunching harmonies.

[paranoid]

heart and sole

I prefer heart and laces myself.

[Guest idol_wild]

I love the way certian people (in life, not just on AMF) rave on about how much better original music is, and that true talent and creativity is only involved around original music, then totally knocks a band who is putting heart and sole into everything they do!

Dude. It's not as black and white as that. The general consensus is that original material is preferred. That doesn't mean that we love all musicians making original material, because some of them are really quite fucking shite.

Shutterspeed fall into that category, regardless of how much heart and soul they put into it.

That said, if a tight and energetic AC/DC covers band were to play on the same night as a Shutterspeed gig, and my decision was between the two with a gun to my head, I'd choose the Shutterspeed gig, purely on the basis that it is original material and they deserve to be rewarded or, rather, preferred to a bunch of people onstage playing a set full of songs that they didn't even write or compose. Regardless of how slick said tribute/covers band are.

It's just the way I feel about music, really. Plus, most bands that have a tribute act were not to my tastes in the first place anyway. So there's just no appeal whatsoever.

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

Ah, in that case fair enough. I did play one festival as part of a 8 piece rock 'n' roll band, "reinterpreting" various songs. Although it was a laugh, to me, it was no more than that. If we're talking about artistic satisfaction, I didn't get it from the covers, although I did get drunk and pull out increasingly bollock crunching harmonies.

I appreciate that not everyone will get satisfaction from it, but I enjoying laying down a groove to music, whether or not it's my own, or an interpretation of an existing song.

I think most people would probably prefer to play to a big crowd with original music rather than covers, that goes without saying, hence why I thought this was a good idea in the first place, but I don't think thats fair reason to knock someone for doing what they enjoy, each to there own and all that testicles.

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

Dude. It's not as black and white as that. The general consensus is that original material is preferred. That doesn't mean that we love all musicians making original material, because some of them are really quite fucking shite.

Shutterspeed fall into that category, regardless of how much heart and soul they put into it.

That said, if a tight and energetic AC/DC covers band were to play on the same night as a Shutterspeed gig, and my decision was between the two with a gun to my head, I'd choose the Shutterspeed gig, purely on the basis that it is original material and they deserve to be rewarded or, rather, preferred to a bunch of people onstage playing a set full of songs that they didn't even write or compose. Regardless of how slick said tribute/covers band are.

It's just the way I feel about music, really. Plus, most bands that have a tribute act were not to my tastes in the first place anyway. So there's just no appeal whatsoever.

Thats fair comment dude, and I agree with most of what you've said!

But why the need to slate another band, could you just say nothing? I have no idea who Shutterspeed are really, but I've seen stuff on this site today about them that I think is pretty bang out of order. They are a bunch of young lads having some fun, is there need to knock them and put them off music before they have ever really started? Would it hurt to ignore them instead of slate them?

I've seen some of the "established bands" in Aberdeen, and most of them are gash, but I'd never make a point of making an ass of them that, who am I to judge and knock them when I'm not in a position too? The Aberdeen Music scene would be a much better place without the cleeks and with a bit of appreciation

[Pierre Von Mondragon]

You said, that why anyone would want play to a festival or 800 people with covers was beyond you. What I am saying is, until you have experienced it, how do you know it wouldn't be as rewarding? Cause I've done both, not on the same stage mind you, and I got just as big a buzz with one as the other

Because its SOMEONE ELSES MUSIC, and as such, and by definition, less personal to the player (hell, even if you didn't write it, you've helped work the tune into shape, hours of work, debate, laughs, fechts etc), therefore a measurably poorer experience. FACT.

The only BOB I'll defend is the old Drummonds one because;

A)My band was in it/won it/got loads of people in Aberdeen to see us

B)No bands selling tickets/much cheapness at the door

C)There were no cover bands cos they are shite (with honourable fast exposure exceptions natch!)

D)The very first one, I was utterly skint, we won actual monetary cash...Papa got a noo pair o' shoes etc

E)Drummonds is a decent place to play anyway, and there are always some folk there

F)Some local bands I had heard of beforehand even entered.

I have been assured that T Break is decided according to DF's tastes/opinions and nothing else, certainly not the performance at the showcase. If thats true it's dissapointing, if perhaps not hugely surprising, as DF don't want a Tent full of Oasis Drones able to get rentamates into any gig at will, and hey, it fuckin worked for us.

[Guest Gladstone]

I think we can agree on that one...

By the way Scott - You're still banned. I'm going to take an executive decision and allow the 'ARS Promotions' login to stand for now, mainly for the sake of this discussion which I believe is raising some interesting points. But this is not an opportunity for you personally to return to these boards.

Ha, I've only got as far as this post in this thread, and all along, I was thinking "this is sexytunk".

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

Ha, I've only got as far as this post in this thread, and all along, I was thinking "this is sexytunk".

Well it's not exactly

[Oedo 808]

Fuck sake. I'm bored. Book Shutterspeed.

[Teabags]

Well if your music wasn't accessible you'd have come third wouldn't you, cause no one would have come to see you? So even if the old rock dudes couldn't make it, Shutterspeed in second place would get the gig.

It's plenty accessible to people that like it. and plenty accessible for a small aberdeen crowd that'd turn up at a battle of the bands. however, that same crowd would be nowhere near the 800 people, and they wouldn't pay to see an over-priced tribute band.

But, regardless, what we should do, is organise getting Shutterspeed on one of these bills. Given the number of people that turned up to their first gig, they could easily win in a landslide by an audience vote.

And they do covers. Everyone wins.

I'm deadly serious.

[Oedo 808]

I'm deadly serious.

I'm deadly deadly. Together we're a team of seriously deadly proportions.

[Guest A.R.S. Promotions]

It's plenty accessible to people that like it. and plenty accessible for a small aberdeen crowd that'd turn up at a battle of the bands. however, that same crowd would be nowhere near the 800 people, and they wouldn't pay to see an over-priced tribute band.

But, regardless, what we should do, is organise getting Shutterspeed on one of these bills. Given the number of people that turned up to their first gig, they could easily win in a landslide by an audience vote.

And they do covers. Everyone wins.

I'm deadly serious.

Well Shutterspeed have actually declared an interest, so you never know!!!!!!!!

Thankfully, ARS Promotions make over-priced Tributes affordable

[Teabags]

Yes.

A.R.S. Start a battle of the bands. Get Sutterspeed to enter. I'll even pay you money to come to the gig and vote for them.

Shutterspeed deserve this opportunity.

[Oedo 808]

Who wants to go to the pub tonight?

[SooperKeef]

Well Shutterspeed have actually declared an interest, so you never know!!!!!!!!

Thankfully, ARS Promotions make over-priced Tributes affordable

lol..........

[FatHand]

That was a marathon to read.

Just my 2 pennies:

I have played in a soul covers band for 10 years and played with a Ska covers band for a fairly brief period. I really enjoyed playing other people's songs in both these cases so I can say from my point of view there was musical satisfaction had. My principle was always as long as I knew roughly the chords I just pleased myself what I played rather than copying the part on the record verbatim (mostly cause I'm probably not good enough to copy exactly and also get bored pretty easily playing exactly the same thing ever time). In my younger days, I used to play a great deal of classical music, which is music that someone else has written, and as a performer, really enjoyed that. I suppose in the cover bands that I played with there was a great deal of interpretation involved, much like the classical music.

Our final Soul Funkin Hot gig last Saturday was an amazing atmosphere and I got a lot of enjoyment out of both playing the music that other people had written and most of all, I got a real kick out of the people really enjoying the music, which is a key goal of playing any type of music in my book.

I won't, however, be playing in another strictly cover band again, or probably be playing classical again any time soon. I'm not opposed to doing some covers (which may happen in future endeavour) but really more interested in writing music these days. I consider the soul band an amazing learn tool that was also really fun and gave people watching a lot of enjoyment too.

I now only play in one band and it's only original compositions we play. I perhaps would never have developed the style and taste for it had I not had a crack at playing similar music written by others in my past experience.

[Guest idol_wild]

Thats fair comment dude, and I agree with most of what you've said!

But why the need to slate another band, could you just say nothing? I have no idea who Shutterspeed are really, but I've seen stuff on this site today about them that I think is pretty bang out of order. They are a bunch of young lads having some fun, is there need to knock them and put them off music before they have ever really started? Would it hurt to ignore them instead of slate them?

I've seen some of the "established bands" in Aberdeen, and most of them are gash, but I'd never make a point of making an ass of them that, who am I to judge and knock them when I'm not in a position too? The Aberdeen Music scene would be a much better place without the cleeks and with a bit of appreciation

I think you just need to accept that music is something people are very precious about because it can make a massive difference to someone's life, so people are always going to have opinions and comments about it.

But you seem to be asking me why I feel the need to mention Shutterspeed. Well, they had already been used an example in this thread, to be fair. But I don't feel I have said too much that can be considered unfair about Shutterspeed - they posted publically on this website, asked for feedback, and they got it. And a whole lot more. I think you need to look at the fact that people were positively repping the fuck out of all the Shutterspeed members using the board to realise the sort of spirit that thread is in. Very little of it was harsh and, all things considered, the guys from Shutterspeed were more than happy to continually contribute and humour everyone who posted in that thread.

The Aberdeen music scene is not full of "cleeks" (it's spelled 'cliques', by the by). I have socialised with quite a broad demographic of gig-goers, bands, promoters, etc across Aberdeen's different musical facets, and the only people that generally feel there are cliques are those who feel the need to validate themselves as musicians and music fans.

Not everyone has the same musical tastes and values, so you're just going to have to accept that not everyone likes music for the sake of liking music. Most like it because they really like it, and won't waste time and effort appreciating music they don't like - and because a few people don't like certain types of music by Aberdeen bands or certain promoters because they don't like they way they operate, doesn't mean that there is a clique forming. It just means people are filtering out and trying to act against something they feel isn't quite right.

There is a fucking lot of appreciation in Aberdeen if something is done right and done with integrity.

[TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH]

I think you just need to accept that music is something people are very precious about because it can make a massive difference to someone's life, so people are always going to have opinions and comments about it.

But you seem to be asking me why I feel the need to mention Shutterspeed. Well, they had already been used an example in this thread, to be fair. But I don't feel I have said too much that can be considered unfair about Shutterspeed - they posted publically on this website, asked for feedback, and they got it. And a whole lot more. I think you need to look at the fact that people were positively repping the fuck out of all the Shutterspeed members using the board to realise the sort of spirit that thread is in. Very little of it was harsh and, all things considered, the guys from Shutterspeed were more than happy to continually contribute and humour everyone who posted in that thread.

The Aberdeen music scene is not full of "cleeks" (it's spelled 'cliques', by the by). I have socialised with quite a broad demographic of gig-goers, bands, promoters, etc across Aberdeen's different musical facets, and the only people that generally feel there are cliques are those who feel the need to validate themselves as musicians and music fans.

Not everyone has the same musical tastes and values, so you're just going to have to accept that not everyone likes music for the sake of liking music. Most like it because they really like it, and won't waste time and effort appreciating music they don't like - and because a few people don't like certain types of music by Aberdeen bands or certain promoters because they don't like they way they operate, doesn't mean that there is a clique forming. It just means people are filtering out and trying to act against something they feel isn't quite right.

There is a fucking lot of appreciation in Aberdeen if something is done right and done with integrity.

Phil, you are on fire today. You've made some excellent posts in this thread.

[Guest idol_wild]

Phil, you are on fire today. You've made some excellent posts in this thread.

Yet I got negative reputation for it, ha.

Don't agree with me too much, though, we may be considered a clique.

[FatHand]

Oh yeah, and BOTHB is a bad idea.

Just go listen to myspaces, get the vibe from these boards and perhaps go and see some of them live. Failing that, get one of your mates to go if they are free and report back.

I would say that the Forum is quite a cool venue to play and even supporting a cover band is not a bad thing if there are loads of people there (and the styles are complimentary). I would want some money to play a gig like that though, anyone playing a show should get paid.