Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The way Australians, and I believe Americans, apply grammar to sport teams. The following sentence has me in a wee ragey:Are! Carlton are!I've heard that both the 'is' and 'are' in these situations are technically correct, but it just sounds so jarring it surely should be wrong.I get where you're coming from but as you say either is technically correct and i'm sure using "are" sounds just as jarring to many Americans or Aussies.It's not just sports teams, they do it any collective noun, such as bands. For some reason it actually sounds worse to me with bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gladstone Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 isn't it so on twitter, you can click the hashtag then it goes to all the other people who have used the hashtag too?Twitter is clearly for losers.FriendsReunited is where us cool kids hang out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I just get my friends to leave comments on my geocities website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanClews Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Do you give them your ICQ number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Are! Carlton are!I've heard that both the 'is' and 'are' in these situations are technically correct, but it just sounds so jarring it surely should be wrong.I think it's because you tend to see bands and sports teams as a group of recognizable individuals rather than a single identity.Inversely, it would be downright weird referring to faceless companies with 'are', for example 'McDonalds are a massive supplier of awful food to fat people'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 'McDonalds are a massive supplier of awful but tasty food to people who become fat after eating too much of it'.fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The way Australians, and I believe Americans, apply grammar to sport teams. The following sentence has me in a wee ragey:Are! Carlton are!I've heard that both the 'is' and 'are' in these situations are technically correct, but it just sounds so jarring it surely should be wrong.I don't think they are consistent when referring to other institutions. Would they say "NYPD is looking for clues", "McDonald's is bringing out a new range of health foods"? They may both be accurate but it doesn't mean you can't hate one of them.Similarly I think they always name the away team first in a sporting fixture so would say "Saturday (missing out "on") it's Aberdeen at Kilmarnock" and would write the score "Aberdeen 0-2 Kilmarnock" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think it's because you tend to see bands and sports teams as a group of recognizable individuals rather than a single identity.Inversely, it would be downright weird referring to faceless companies with 'are', for example 'McDonalds are a massive supplier of awful food to fat people'.Bizarre use of the same example at the same time. Pinky promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 A thing which annoys me about the way sports results are mentioned over here is that if someone says a score they always say the home team's score first when we would usually say the score of the winning team first. So if I was to ask what the Aberdeen score was on saturday they'd say "nil - one".Not that anyone here would use the word nil or know the aberdeen score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-matthEw- Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Bizarre use of the same example at the same time. Pinky promise.You two used the same example at the same time, but to back-up opposing points... I think.Personally, I'd say "McDondald's are bringing out a new range of health foods", but I guess if that sounds jarring to others it just goes to prove that we'll hate whatever one we're nae used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubbs Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 My Canadian chum refers to Rangers FC as The Rangers, which her boyfriend loves because it makes his favourite team sound more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaakkkeee Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 My Canadian chum refers to Rangers FC as The Rangers, which her boyfriend loves because it makes his favourite team sound more important.Sounds like a group of superheros in cowboy hats. That would make me watch Scottish football if that were the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-matthEw- Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 A lot of Scottish Rangers fans call them The Rangers. That's another pet-hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 You two used the same example at the same time, but to back-up opposing points... I think.Personally, I'd say "McDondald's are bringing out a new range of health foods", but I guess if that sounds jarring to others it just goes to prove that we'll hate whatever one we're nae used to.I reckon mine is 'logically' correct or whatever, but then logic isn't exactly the English language's strong point.The idea that there can be a pure, correct version of the English language is a load of shite anyway. Grammar Nazis fuck off. You too, O'Leary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I got corrected by a student for making a spelling mistake the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gladstone Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The whole "The Rangers" thing is fairly common amongst football teams. The real weegie Celtic fans call Celtic "The Celtic" or as it sounds "Rasellic", Arsenal fans call them "The Arsenal", and so on - I'm sure there are many others, but can't be arsed to think of any more examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 I think Arsenal really are "The Arsenal" though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaakkkeee Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 It's just silly, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Shut up The Bassist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-matthEw- Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The whole "The Rangers" thing is fairly common amongst football teams. The real weegie Celtic fans call Celtic "The Celtic" or as it sounds "Rasellic", Arsenal fans call them "The Arsenal", and so on - I'm sure there are many others, but can't be arsed to think of any more examples.It does make sense, for teams with those sort of names anyway. I just don't like it, especially with Rangers Bringing it back to Australian sport, they often pre-fix their football names with The, but only if it's the name of a place/city/suburb. ie. The Essendon Football Club, The Collingwood Football Club.Sounds so pompous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Collingwood are a bunch of dicks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Didn't "The Arsenal" stem from the chant #1-0 to The Arsenal# back when Arsenal used to be boring to watch and scrape dull wins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroopy121 Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 The New Castle. Doesn't work for all of them. Unless there's a team called the Castle.Pet Hate: the way Geordies say newCastle, rather than Newcastle. Get your emphatic priorities straight, cunt.xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 When pop/R&B stars headbang, play air guitar or do any other “rock star” style posturing during guitar interludes. I’m not boo hooing about these moves being appropriated by pop artists from “real music” or anything like that - I just think they look stupid, particularly that Nicole whatserface from the Pussy Cat Dolls. She’s a fucking moron if ever I saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 When pop/R&B stars headbang, play air guitar or do any other “rock star” style posturing during guitar interludes. I’m not boo hooing about these moves being appropriated by pop artists from “real music” or anything like that - I just think they look stupid, particularly that Nicole whatserface from the Pussy Cat Dolls. She’s a fucking moron if ever I saw one. I believe its Nicole Schwerzingniviggerer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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