jester1470 Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 THE Glasgow pop group Belle and Sebastian have been named best Scottish band of all time, provoking furious debate among music fans.Travis and Idlewild followed in second and third places in the List magazine poll of the top 50 bands, sponsored by Orange and backed by Radio 1 and Radio Scotland.But in one major surprise, the biggest story in Scottish rock this year - Franz Ferdinand - appear to have some work to do with their fans north of the Border. They lagged in 15th place.And two artists who appeared in the List magazines original guide to a top 50, before voting began, have dropped out of the rankings entirely - John Martyn and Rod Stewart.The top ten, garnered from a poll of 12,000 music lovers, mirrored the wide variety of Scottish music talent, ranging to the Seventies pop and rock bands the Bay City Rollers and the Sensational Alex Harvey Band.Franz Ferdinand have picked up a string of awards in the past year. They won the Mercury Music Prize in September and were named the most influential band of 2004 by the US music magazine Spin."Im surprised that they have come in so low, because they are so prominent in peoples minds right now as a really audacious and striking band," The Scotsmans music critic Fiona Shepherd, said. "People tend to vote for more recent artists."Alec Downie, of New Music in Scotland, the music development agency, said: "Its a bit of fun and it raises the profile of Scottish music.The downside in certain ways is that it may be false because it is of the moment, especially in the modern age when its subject to who has the biggest mailing list and who is willing to shamelessly self-promote."Would Franz Ferdinand be bothered to tell their fans they are nominated, so will they get any votes? Bands like that consider themselves too cool."Belle and Sebastian have got a huge network of people. Look at how many albums they have sold with little marketing, there is obviously quite a loyal following built up with successive albums."Told that John Martyn had not made the list, he said: "That is criminal."The music industry consultant Ronnie Gurr - who is co-ordinating the attendance of Scottish bands at this years South by Southwest music industry festival in Austin, Texas - joked he was "outraged" that the Skids were relegated to 49. "Theres obviously not enough of us punk rock warriors left," he said.The Scottish vocalist Fish, who made the list at 18, although his band Marillion did not, said: "Its age groups and all the rest of it. If I was naming bands, I would probably put the Eurythmics and Annie Lennox at the top."Belle and Sebastian, an art-house indie band, were formed nine years ago in an all-night cafe in Glasgow after the singer and songwriter Stuart Murdoch and bass guitarist Stuart David met on a government training scheme.Their first album, released through Stow College, was recorded in just three days and now changes hands for up to 400 a copy.Ms Shepherd said the group were known as much for their "independent attitude" as for a string of hits - their album Dear Catastrophe Waitress was nominated for a Mercury Prize last year.Idlewild are winning radio time for their new single, Love Steals Us From Loneliness, and are among the Scottish bands picked to perform at the South by Southwest event.Lulu scraped in at 48, while the Shamen were last in the rankings. The Eurythmics made 38. Edinburgh stalwarts the Proclaimers came tenth.The magazines music editor, Marc Robertson, said yesterday that everyone would have strong opinions about the rankings.He said: "The idea behind the project was simple - to rediscover the very best of Scottish music from the finest musical talent, spanning from the age of Seventies rock through to Eighties pop right up to todays international stars ... the response was amazing."A spokesman for Orange said the company hoped it had "raised the profile of all the bands and the exciting Scottish music scene" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryn Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Average White Band were below dogs-die-in-hot-cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 It's worth getting the P&J to read their editorial to see how out of touch they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 what did they say? i spent my last 50p on the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149212&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149702&contentPK=11640450 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I would hope they're taking the piss but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 oh my god. they said it at the bottom though, "there's just no accounting for taste". sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 fucking hell. no wonder local music barely gets mentioned in that paper if that's the editor's taste in music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartmaxwell Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 email sent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 1. Belle & Sebastian2. Travis3. Idlewild4. Wet Wet Wet5. Sensational Alex Harvey Band6. Simple Minds7. Teenage Fanclub8. Bay City Rollers9. Primal Scream10. The Proclaimers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael MacLennan Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 fucking hell. no wonder local music barely gets mentioned in that paper if that's the editor's taste in music.That's what happens when the editor's a prick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftboy Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I love all the insane homophobic letters they always print in the P&J. Editorial selectiveness, I imagine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartmaxwell Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 er i just got a call from the p an j, they are printing my rant and it will be in tomorrowwhoops!its not exactly well written in anyway, sounds like an agnsty skoolkid (not the k and NOT c) spat his eyeliner out. oh well, buy the p and jtheyu somehow got my home fone number too which is very very strange as i didnt give it to them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historicrocker Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Belle and Sebastian would be my number one. I'm dubious about the list though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Rod Stewart isn't even Scottish so no wonder he wasn't on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzdiablo Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 remember when b+s won the brit award (decided by polling the public) for best newcomer?this is a bit like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Cynic Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Much tho' it goes against the grain to side with the P&J...I also think Jimmy Shand and his band should be no.1!!(Nothing against B&S, with whom I have some very slght connections, he says, shamelessly namedropping) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I'm pleasantly suprised at Idlewild making number 3. Would have liked Arab Strap to be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camie Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 er i just got a call from the p an j' date=' they are printing my rant and it will be in tomorrowwhoops!its not exactly well written in anyway, sounds like an agnsty skoolkid (not the k and NOT c) spat his eyeliner out. oh well, buy the p and jtheyu somehow got my home fone number too which is very very strange as i didnt give it to them....[/quote']maybe you are a regular? They are watching you...Glad Idlewild got a high position not too sure about Travis though. Althought their debut is brilliant they kinda go downhill with the other albums.Where is the top 50 list?I remember reading the booklet about the inductees.I think I voted for Snow Patrol or Idlewild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted January 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 The 50 Best Scottish Bands Of All Time (as voted for by the public) are as follows:1 Belle & Sebastian2 Travis3 Idlewild4 Wet Wet Wet5 Sensational Alex Harvey Band6 Simple Minds7 Teenage Fanclub8 Bay City Rollers9 Primal Scream10 The Proclaimers11 Texas12 Mull historical society13 Big country14 Snow Patrol15 Franz Ferdinand16 Bis17 Deacon Blue18 Fish19 Jesus and Mary Chain20 Mogwai21 Runrig22 Trash Can Sinatras23 Del Amitri24 Orange Juice25 Nazareth26 Beta Band27 Biffy Clyro28 Altered Images29 Aztec Camera30 Eddi Reader31 Goodbye Mr Mackenzie32 Fire Engines33 Delgados34 Arab strap35 Vaselines36 Associates37 The Pastels38 Eurythmics39 Aereogramme40 Blue Nile41 Boards of Canada42 Rezillos43 Incredible string band44 Cocteau twins45 Dogs Die in Hot Cars46 Spare Snare47 Average White Band48 Lulu49 Skids50 Shamen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartmaxwell Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 dear god they used the word "rubbish" which i didnt write!!!!!!i am raging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall (TGF) Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Good god! Arab strap at number 34! One of the most innovative bands in Scotland so far below the top ten and other far more image concious bands (who are less concerned with good songs). It's criminal! Saw that Hooker's were in the new talent section of the book tho-that was nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 dear god they used the word "rubbish" which i didnt write!!!!!!i am ragingnot too bad a letter though. Dave's was good as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stuartmaxwell Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 they left out the bit that i had mentioned about how little attention that SHIFT got and how it is ignoring the art + music scene in scotland.and it was really rant more than a letter. oops!who needs well written letters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftboy Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Belle and Sebastian deserve it. What other band could have bagpipes in a song without it being cringe-inducing? Let's face it, they piss all over so much so-called indie, who are a million miles from the inspiration of B&S - the poetry of the lyrics (both waspish and delicate), the aching beauty of the music, senstive without being whining bedwetters (Keane, Travis, Coldplay, all that insipid rubbish that clogs radio like rank tealeaves)... Fish is there, but Marillion are where he made music that's any good to listen to! "Misplaced Childhood" is a classic. And where are the EXPLOITED????I also think of the KLF as Scottish. Bill Drummond may be known for his involvement in the Liverpool punk scene, managing Tead Drop Explodes etc, but his lugubrious accent on "Build A Fire" from KLF's "The White Room" is worth nominating him for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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