Watching Loose Women eh...quality TV there Del At least Ringo was getting paid to be on it...watching it is another matter:laughing: On the subject though, I don't think rock stars are any different to old people of any entertainment vocation footballers, film stars etc. There's some who retain dignity whilst others go OTT for attention and lose reality. The problem is that there are limited new stars to take away the reliance on the nostalgia of those icons which still dominate. Look at the heavy rock scene with Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Metallica still the headliners and crowd pullers but still using the now stale and cliched formula that got them there.