RossP Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Let me rephrase that - who is a better target man in the SPL in games that haven't just involved ICT? For some reason, Nish only seems to turn up against them. I always stuck 5 on him to be first goalscorer in games v. ICT. He seemed to turn into Luca Toni for those games...I actually think he is an effective target man. As is Kevin Kyle, John Daly and John Sutton... plus that boy Motherwell have got that is on loan from Everton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Lukas Jutkiewicz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Obviously we're not going to agree on this one, and I know Lee Miller is especially hated by PJM fans, but surely the fact that Gordon Strachan, who has observed him for years, rates him highly enough to fork out half a mil for him suggests that at the very least he isn't shite.I'm not being facetious, genuinely curious - who do you think is a better target man in the SPL?As much as you lot hate him for the shocking tackle, Lafferty is a solid target man and leagues ahead of Miller.Jon Daly when he's fit is as good as, if not better, than Miller. Kevin Kyle as well, is a very solid target man. On looking at SPL players that lot seem to be the best of a bad bunch of natural target men so, admittedly, Miller would obviously be up there by virtue of the fact that there are very few target men (most forwards in the SPL seem to fall into the more striker or on ground hold-up play categories). That's assuming he's even considered a target man. It may be that he get's used as one but i wouldn't say that was his natural position by any means.In my mind a target man shouldn't be hitting the deck at every opportunity, that is the role of a nippy striker trying to show how oafish and cumbersome a centre back is. A target man should be solid on his feet and in the air and an obvious target in the box at set pieces as an alternative to the big boys at the back (something that Miller isn't- incidentally how many goals has Miller scored with his head at Aberdeen? He wasn't exactly known for his headed goalscoring anywhere else). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossP Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 As much as you lot hate him for the shocking tackle, Lafferty is a solid target man and leagues ahead of Miller.Jon Daly when he's fit is as good as, if not better, than Miller. Kevin Kyle as well, is a very solid target manI wouldn't even class Lafferty as a footballer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idol_wild Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I wouldn't even class Lafferty as a footballer!Or a human.He's a scum-sucking pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I wouldn't even class Lafferty as a footballer!Hmmm, his hold up play and presence in the box/air in general is unparalleled in the SPL. You lot just have the blinkers on 'cause he's a Dirty Hun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Even Rangers fans don't like the cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossP Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hmmm, his hold up play and presence in the box/air in general is unparalleled in the SPL. You lot just have the blinkers on 'cause he's a Dirty Hun.I think you'd struggle to find anyone in Scotland with that opinion! He really is that terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I'm not being facetious, genuinely curious - who do you think is a better target man in the SPL?kenny deuchar for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I'd be quite happy to get rid of Miller. For me, he's been ineffectual for at least the past year. He should be trying to win headers more often instead of crumbling to the deck looking for free kicks all the time. If he put a bit of effort in, he could actually be a decent player. I think he'll be 100 times better for Boro than he ever was for us.Be nice to get 500k for him and free up the wage bill as well, and here's hoping we get in a more prolific goal scorer. I think we depend too much on our formation being based around a target man. Let's continue the passing game that McGhee has employed and play it through to strikers, rather than lumping it up the park and hoping than someone gets a lucky flick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 AND you seemed to get a personal shout-out on Your Call. indeed. that balloon who phoned in about celtic "eh was pure watchin it at the pub and it wis rubbash, get rid of mowbrawy and all of his signings" and that idiot Dundee fan pushed us over the edge and we decided to call in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I think you'd struggle to find anyone in Scotland with that opinion! He really is that terrible.Well he's largely responsible for putting the ball in towards David Healy in the Northern Ireland set-up and how many goals has he scored? He made a rather unforgettable debut in the Northern Ireland win over Spain and he played a blinder through their qualifying campaign.He played a rather important role in getting Burnley into the EPL so i don't think it warrants a dismissive attitude towards him at all. Edit: Just to clarify he obviously wasn't in their promotion team but his performances led to him getting a big money move to Rangers and helped Coyle build his squad with the resulting funds made available from his transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I'm not being facetious, genuinely curious - who do you think is a better target man in the SPL?Got to be Kris Boyd surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Got to be Kris Boyd surely?Are you kidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Are you kidding?No8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stichman Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hmmm, his hold up play and presence in the box/air in general is unparalleled in the SPL. You lot just have the blinkers on 'cause he's a Dirty Hun.Ha! You've got to be kidding, right? The boy is total geesh. Just because he's tall and a total thug doesn't make him a good target man. He has been largely woeful for Rangers, and he only really gets a game because thay have so many injuries. Even if you are a fan of his, you've got to admit he's basically achieved nothing at Rangers, and therefore cannot be considered the best target man in the SPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Miller's shite and has been for most of his Aberdeen career, 500k for a player we got for free and who can leave for nothing in the summer is a fucking great bit of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Kris Boyd is the exact opposite of a target man. He is the definition of a penaltybox striker.Kyle Laugherty is not a target man. He has played on the left flank or up front (but not as the spearhead) but the OF rarely use target men as they dont often have the need to hold the ball up - most of the time they are the ones on the offensive and dont need an outlet. Hence JVoH being marginalised so brutally. Penalty box strikers in teh Boyd/McDonald mode or pacy troublemakers like K Miller/ Fortune are more popular.I think Jon Daly is a reasonable attacker, but better than Lee Miller? Never in a million years. Simply; I cant imagine anyone paying decent money for him or becoming an international etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Miller's shite and has been for most of his Aberdeen career, 500k for a player we got for free and who can leave for nothing in the summer is a fucking great bit of business.Half true - the second half, obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 What about Billy Mehmet? OK now I'm kidding...BAZINGA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 What about Billy Mehmet? OK now I'm kidding...BAZINGA!Im not asking people just to name target men, but to name target men who are better than Lee Miller. Obviously its subjective, but I dont think anyone suggested thus far is even close to his quality, with the possible exception of LukeJuke. And even then, hes an Everton player and the sample size is very small. Looks like a good player though, even though I aint convinced that hes a target man.EDIT sorry I didnae see the small print - distracted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Kris Boyd is the exact opposite of a target man. He is the definition of a penaltybox striker.Kyle Laugherty is not a target man. He has played on the left flank or up front (but not as the spearhead) but the OF rarely use target men as they dont often have the need to hold the ball up - most of the time they are the ones on the offensive and dont need an outlet. Hence JVoH being marginalised so brutally. Penalty box strikers in teh Boyd/McDonald mode or pacy troublemakers like K Miller/ Fortune are more popular.I think Jon Daly is a reasonable attacker, but better than Lee Miller? Never in a million years. Simply; I cant imagine anyone paying decent money for him or becoming an international etc.So you're outright ignoring the more successful aspects of Lafferty's career, namely him being a target man at international level and also for Burnley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nev Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Because I can cut'n'paste'n'twist...who do you think is a better target man in the SPL?being a target man at international level and also for Burnley?in the SPL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Because I can cut'n'paste'n'twist...He's still played as a target man for Rangers. He doesn't always play in that role but what professional footballer these days only plays in the one role. Thierry Henry must be a shit striker these days 'cause Barcelona only use him on the wing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christy Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 OK.1) I don't think that Kyle Lafferty is a better target man than Lee Miller2) I don't think that Kyle Lafferty is a better footballer than Lee Miller3) I think that Kyle Lafferty is a shambles, and I challenge anyone who has seen his attempts at playing football since he joined the Bosche to argue otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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