rian5 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 did you know he's into Scientology now?hafta say i'm dissapointed...no offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca_gere Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 So is Beck, that's even more disapointing.also, I presume you mean Jason Lee of My Name is Earl fame rather than Jason Lee of 'he's got a pineapple, on his head' fame? Just checking, coz I wouldn't be surprised if the latter had turned to religion considering the stick he used to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatHand Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I believe that most of the My Name is Earl cast are Scientologists. Why is it so popular with actors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diarmaid Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Because they're all mad. Though I thought Jason Lee had been a Scientologist for quite a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemonade Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Notable ScientologistsAKirstie Alley,[24][25][26][27] actress Anne Archer,[26] actress (mother of Scientology spokesperson Tommy Davis) Jennifer Aspen,[28][29] actress BJames Stacy Barbour,[30] Broadway actor Lynsey Bartilson,[28] actress, raised Scientologist Beck,[24][26][31][32] musician, raised Scientologist Catherine Bell,[28][33] actress Karen Black,[34][35] actress Sonny Bono,[36][37] musician and member of U.S. House of Representatives (R-Palm Springs) (deceased 1998) CNancy Cartwright,[31][37] voice-over actress Kate Ceberano,[38] actress and musician Erika Christensen,[28][25][26] actress, raised Scientologist Jeff Conaway,[39] actor Chick Corea,[24][26] musician Tom Cruise,[24][26] actor Tom Constanten,[40] former keyboardist for the Grateful Dead DSky Dayton,[41] founder of EarthLink Doug Dohring,[42] ex-owner of Neopets Jason Dohring,[43] actor, raised Scientologist EBodhi Elfman,[44][45][46][47] actor Jenna Elfman,[24][25][26] actress Richard Elfman,[41] writer and director FDoug E. Fresh,[31] musician and actor GKenton Gray,[48] car and motorcycle race driver HPaul Haggis,[49] director, Academy Award winner Isaac Hayes,[26] musician and actor (deceased 2008) Katie Holmes,[50] actress (raised Catholic), introduced to Scientology by Tom Cruise while they were dating. Nicky Hopkins,[24][51] musician (deceased 1994) IMark Isham,[52] musician KKimberley Kates,[52] actress Milton Katselas,[26][53] acting teacher Chaka Khan,[31][34] singer LJason Lee,[28][24][32][54] actor Geoffrey Lewis,[55][56] actor Juliette Lewis,[24][26][55] actress MChristopher Masterson,[57] actor, raised Scientologist Danny Masterson,[25] actor Lisa McPherson,[58][59] American woman whose death has been a source of controversy for Scientology Jim Meskimen,[60] actor and improviser Julia Migenes,[61] opera singer Sofia Milos,[28][62] actress Elisabeth Moss,[63] actress NHaywood Nelson,[64] actor Marisol Nichols,[28] actress Judy Norton Taylor,[52][65] actress PEduardo Palomo,[66][67] actor Michael Pea,[6] actor Bijou Phillips,[68] actress and model Stephen Poludniak,[69][70] convicted felon Laura Prepon,[41] actress Priscilla Presley,[34][71] actress Lisa Marie Presley,[34][24] singer Kelly Preston,[25] actress and wife of John Travolta[72] Lee Purcell,[52] actress RLeah Remini,[25] actress Giovanni Ribisi,[24][32] actor Marissa Ribisi,[32] actress raised Scientologist Michael D. Roberts,[52] actor Ruddy Rodriguez,[73][74] actress SPablo Santos,[75] actor Billy Sheehan,[61] rock bassist David Singer,[76] chiropractor, Management by Statistics consultant Reed Slatkin,[77] criminal Ponzi scheme perpetrator Michelle Stafford,[28] actress Ethan Suplee,[28][54] actor TJohn Travolta,[25][26] actor VGreta Van Susteren,[25][33][32] television show host WElizabeth Eagleton Weigand,[69][70] convicted felon Edgar Winter,[58] musician Former ScientologistsAdi Da (Franklin Jones),[78] spiritual teacher Jason Beghe,[79][80] actor Mary Bono,[81] widow of Sonny Bono (took classes in 1989 and 1990) Kate Bornstein,[82] transgender author, playwright, performance artist and gender theorist Stephen Boyd,[83] actor John Brodie,[84][27] football player William S. Burroughs,[85] author and poet Diana Canova,[86] actress Tory Christman,[87] critic, whistleblower Leonard Cohen,[36][31][83][88][89][90] singer Robert and Mary Anne de Grimston,[91][92] founders of The Process Church of The Final Judgment Werner Erhard,[93][94][95][96][97][98][99] founder of Erhard Seminars Training Philip Gale,[100] MIT student and primary developer of EarthLink's innovative ISP software; committed suicide Robert Hunter,[101] lyricist Al Jarreau,[34] singer Nicole Kidman,[34][36] actress and former wife of Scientologist Tom Cruise Charles Manson,[91][36][102] studied Scientology for a short duration while in prison and incorporated its doctrines in his teachings Demi Moore,[36] actress Van Morrison,[31] singer Vince Offer, [103] director of The Underground Comedy Movie and spokesman for Shamwow! James Packer,[104] the second richest man in Australia Dini Petty,[105] Canadian television and radio host Christopher Reeve,[106][107] actor and director Mimi Rogers,[108][26] actress (former member; introduced Tom Cruise to Scientology) Jerry Seinfeld,[109][110][111] actor and comedian Patrick Swayze,[111] actor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Because they're all mad. Though I thought Jason Lee had been a Scientologist for quite a while?Certainly has.I hope anyone who thinks Scientology is mad isn't religious themselves? It's common for folk to laugh at Scientologists who beleive in the Galactic Confederancy and E - meters but cool to believe in virgin births, second comings and talking snakes? ALL religion is mad - Scientology is no different from any other one.Everyone needs to see the film "Religulous" by Bill Maher! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 William Burroughs was never a scientologist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 William Burroughs was never a scientologist!From wikipedia (so it MUST be true. Maybe) - In the 1960s Burroughs also joined and left the Church of Scientology. In talking about the experience, he claimed that the techniques and philosophy of Scientology helped him and that he felt that further study into Scientology would produce great results. However, he was skeptical of the organization itself, and felt that it fostered an environment that did not accept critical discussion.[33] His subsequent critical writings about the church and his review of Inside Scientology by Robert Kaufman led to a battle of letters between Burroughs and Scientology supporters in the pages of Rolling Stone magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossP Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think it was Delo McKown who said "The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike."I don't mind what faith people believe in, as in times of personal hardship their unwavering belief can have a positive effect in their own life and others close to them. Like all 'hobbies', religion allows like minded people to meet and socialise, which again provides a positive influence upon many people's lives.My only concern is how much money people throw at religion, which is something that Scientology is especially bad for. For a religion like Christianity to say "money is the root of all evil", it always strikes me as ironic when the donation baskets are passed around.Occasionally i've had to teach RME at school and there really is a lack of course content on Athieism (sp?) and Agnostic beliefs, considering around 40% of the UK population follow those beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diarmaid Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 second comings... Everyone needs to see the film "Religulous" by Bill Maher!I tend not to believe in something I can't prove myself. Shame really.Aye, I've heard good things about Religulous. May go see it if I get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsh Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 I downloaded it about 6 months ago and have watched it about 100 times just to remember all the brilliant quotes! It really is one of my favourite films. It encapsulates all my feelings towards religion. In an ironic twist, it's become a "bible" of sorts for me................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Occasionally i've had to teach RME at school and there really is a lack of course content on Athieism (sp?) and Agnostic beliefs, considering around 40% of the UK population follow those beliefs.The physics, biology, chemistry and geography departments all have aethism covered. Leave facts out of the RE class, let it stick to fiction.What could religious education say about aethism, something that isn't a religion or a belief in the same way as christianity, hinduism etc is? "Now lets talk about aethism: There is no God or any other similar being or beings. Next."One of the most annoying things about my school was that at one point my history teacher was also my RE teacher. I couldn't reconcile the two. In my mind there was a fundamental conflict of interest between the two subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 The physics, biology, chemistry and geography departments all have aethism covered. Leave facts out of the RE class, let it stick to fiction.What could religious education say about aethism, something that isn't a religion or a belief in the same way as christianity, hinduism etc is? "Now lets talk about aethism: There is no God or any other similar being or beings. Next."One of the most annoying things about my school was that at one point my history teacher was also my RE teacher. I couldn't reconcile the two. In my mind there was a fundamental conflict of interest between the two subjects.To be fair, there's a lot more to aethism than that.My school was pretty good at teaching it, but I think that was more to the teacher than anything else as he was pretty clued up on all of the religions, and wasn't actually directly religious himself and instead saw himself as an agnostic.My school wins. Na na na. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfer_Rosa Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 The physics, biology, chemistry and geography departments all have aethism covered. Leave facts out of the RE class, let it stick to fiction.What could religious education say about aethism, something that isn't a religion or a belief in the same way as christianity, hinduism etc is? "Now lets talk about aethism: There is no God or any other similar being or beings. Next."One of the most annoying things about my school was that at one point my history teacher was also my RE teacher. I couldn't reconcile the two. In my mind there was a fundamental conflict of interest between the two subjects.Aethism does get studied a little bit now, (or at least it did in the Existence of God unit I had to do 2 years ago). But I think that's mostly because the subject is Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies now rather than just RE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 To be fair, there's a lot more to aethism than that.Well there is and there isn't. On another forum I'm a member on there are a large number of religious posters (mostly American) and we discuss this quite a lot. They all struggle to grasp the basic premise that aethism is an absence of belief. They talk about it as though it's another religion and we all attend church meetings or recite passages from the likes of RIchard Dawkin's books like they recite the bible.I'm an aethist, I know there's no god and I get on with life accordingly. I don't waste a minute out of my day thinking about being an aethist or indoctrinating myself in that way of life. It's just the way things are.I'd like to know Ross' source for that 40% figure he bandied about, if he's including agnostics I'd have guesssed that figure was higher. Though it may be including agnostics who habitually tick "church of scotland" etc on the census form yet haven't gone to a service for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well there is and there isn't. On another forum I'm a member on there are a large number of religious posters (mostly American) and we discuss this quite a lot. They all struggle to grasp the basic premise that aethism is an absence of belief. They talk about it as though it's another religion and we all attend church meetings or recite passages from the likes of RIchard Dawkin's books like they recite the bible.I'm an aethist, I know there's no god and I get on with life accordingly. I don't waste a minute out of my day thinking about being an aethist or indoctrinating myself in that way of life. It's just the way things are.I'd like to know Ross' source for that 40% figure he bandied about, if he's including agnostics I'd have guesssed that figure was higher. Though it may be including agnostics who habitually tick "church of scotland" etc on the census form yet haven't gone to a service for years.you do spend time thinking about being an atheist and while you may not further indoctrinate yourself in an atheist way of life, by challenging other peoples beliefs or dismissing them you are spending time thinking about being an atheist and attempting to convert others to that way of thinking. most atheists are as bothersome as religous zealots and fail to see the hypocracy(sp?) in their arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootray Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 It may be hypocratic but at least they are right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfer_Rosa Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 South Park / Season 9 / Episode 912 / Trapped in the Closet / via www.tudou.com - South Park XEven if your not a fan of South Park that's a pretty funny episode about scientology and some big actors, etc, who are part of the religion.And also about hip-hoperas of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Notable ScientologistsAKirstie Alley,[24][25][26][27] actress Anne Archer,[26] actress (mother of Scientology spokesperson Tommy Davis) Jennifer Aspen,[28][29] actress BJames Stacy Barbour,[30] Broadway actor Lynsey Bartilson,[28] actress, raised Scientologist ..............................................................................That reminded me of when that BNP membership list was leaked.....in the sense that I sat here reading through a list of names thinking "check all these fuckwits.........what an affront"...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Well there is and there isn't. On another forum I'm a member on there are a large number of religious posters (mostly American) and we discuss this quite a lot. They all struggle to grasp the basic premise that aethism is an absence of belief. They talk about it as though it's another religion and we all attend church meetings or recite passages from the likes of RIchard Dawkin's books like they recite the bible.I'm an aethist, I know there's no god and I get on with life accordingly. I don't waste a minute out of my day thinking about being an aethist or indoctrinating myself in that way of life. It's just the way things are.I'd like to know Ross' source for that 40% figure he bandied about, if he's including agnostics I'd have guesssed that figure was higher. Though it may be including agnostics who habitually tick "church of scotland" etc on the census form yet haven't gone to a service for years.......a but The Big Man (God, not Billy Connolly) could be looking over the shoulder of any agnostic so we have to keep ourselves covered. Ain't nobody looking over your shoulder though potentially hellbound one.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzdiablo Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 isn't the whole premise behind "my name is earl" (dude paying back all the people he has wronged, crossing them off a list) some sort of scientologist allegory?i read that somewhere, i can't rememember.possibly the guardian. in which case it must be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 you do spend time thinking about being an atheist and while you may not further indoctrinate yourself in an atheist way of life, by challenging other peoples beliefs or dismissing them you are spending time thinking about being an atheist and attempting to convert others to that way of thinking. Well obviously in general discussions about religion and aethism you have to think about the subject. But day to day, minute by minute it's not something that's in my thoughts or that steers my behaviour.The aethists you mention that act like zealots are very much in the minority I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Scientology didn't do these guys any favours....Sonny Bono - Died after skiing accidentTom Cruise - Chronic midgetry and no talentKatie Holmes - Married to Tom Cruise Lisa Marie Presley - Married to "Wacko Jacko"Giovanni Ribisi - Face like a melted wellyJohn Travolta - Got really, really fatEdgar Winter - Albino and therefore a freakStephen Boyd - Died of heart attack while playing golfPhilip Gale - Committed suicide Nicole Kidman - Married to Tom Cruise Charles Manson - MentalChristopher Reeve - Tetraplegic, now deceased Mimi Rogers - Married to Tom CruisePatrick Swayze - CancerWhere was your non-god when you needed him/her/it? eh? eh?Should have stuck with the Big Man Upstairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afro Droid Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Mimi Rogers - Married to Tom CruiseReally? When? Though she was a good bit older than he. Crackin' boobies though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossP Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 To answer Chris's points which he raised on my comments...- The 40% figure was something I read on some sort of worksheet in the RME department. Can't remember if it was a recent study or even if it included Agnostics in with Atheism. Just seemed a sensible idea to put a figure (recent/accurate or not) instead of 'quite a lot of people' or 'most people' follow no religion.- I also think that there is a hell of a lot more to Atheist and Agnostic beliefs than 'I don't believe in God'. I wish my subject had as much discussion points as those two areas! Also, as with most teaching, students learn best when they are involved in their own learning (debate, discussion, presentation, self/peer teaching), so simply saying... "Now lets talk about aethism: There is no God or any other similar being or beings. Next."...wouldn't be effective teaching or learning. But that is just a personal gripe One of the most annoying things about my school was that at one point my history teacher was also my RE teacher. I couldn't reconcile the two. In my mind there was a fundamental conflict of interest between the two subjects.I agree that there is a conflict of interest between the two, but again that is for the student to discover and challenge; making their learning more engaging. In a recent PSE class I started by telling a S1 class that you can get pregnant from kissing and holding hands, cue a class debate about whether it was true, or if they should challenge what a teacher is saying (something they've never really done before). After much discussion, using lots of background knowledge which many of the kids didn't know they had, they decided that I was lying. They'll remember that class a lot better than if I went in and said 'Use protection... next'.Also, cutbacks across Scotland will soon result in the use of Faculties instead of Subjects... meaning i'll possibly be teaching Design & Tech and Computing alongside Business Education, under the 'Technologies' umbrella. Or a PE Teacher will be teaching HE (!), under the 'Health and Wellbeing' umbrella. Kids (and teachers!) will have to get used to this ?( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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