MattJimF Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 just to add a mood lightner to the topichttp://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/6019?hideinfo=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NARC Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 It just makes you think tho what a shitty, flawed political system the US has. For supposedly the most "free" country in the world. 47% or whatever vote for Kerry because they dont like Bush, not because they like Kerry. I know our system is crap but at least i can freely vote socialist or SNP, with a fair chance of representation. Its all glamour in the states... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I was thinking about this earlier' date=' and the inevitable opinions that would spring up that "Americans are idiots", yadayadayada ad infinitum, and then something struck me...We live in a country that between 1979 and 1997 voted in *FOUR* successive Tory government, THREE OF THEM WITH THATCHER AT THE HELM! And yet we criticise others.The strange thing about the Democrats campaign (and yes, I know they voted against him in the primaries) is that John Edwards was clearly a much better candidate than John Kerry. Inexperienced maybe, but witness the speeches tonight by Kerry and Edwards, like it or not Edwards is charismatic, exudes personality, is a skilled orator...basically everything that would have won the Democrats the election the way they fought their campaign (i.e. without too much regard for actual policies). I would put money on him being the President come 2008.All in all, not a great day for the world, but I don't think we're all doomed as a result.[/quote']either him or hilary clinton i guess. the kerry campain was complacent, the bush campaign was determined and confident. they won cause they're good at winning these things. i don't think kerry woulda been the answer to anything except for the not being bush thing, he was still one to babble on about striking america's enemies etc and he is probably just as enthralled by big business as bush is. it woulda been nice to see him throw away the conservative concessions he made for his campaign and try and offer a viable difference to bush rather than a moderate liberal campaign. he never looked like a president to my eyes, whereas bush always looked comfortable. oh well, we hoped for change, maybe it'll come next year in this country and we'll scare labour and fuck over the conservatives. put the lib dems in as official opposition and see if anything happens, maybe get the socialists and greens some seats in parliament.hope is a grand thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tristen Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Am I the only one thats vaguely happy about it?Grantedly I'd rather NOT have Bush in power, but between the two I'll take the known evil anyday. Kerrys policies seemed to be designed around scapegoating Bush and undoing all he had done. Wether some of the things he has done are right or not, to withdraw them now on the basis of popular opinion is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eat your parents Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Am I the only one thats vaguely happy about it?Grantedly I'd rather NOT have Bush in power' date=' but between the two I'll take the known evil anyday. Kerrys policies seemed to be designed around scapegoating Bush and undoing all he had done. Wether some of the things he has done are right or not, to withdraw them now on the basis of popular opinion is insane.[/quote']That's actually what my Mum would say every election when the Tories were in power. I didn't understand it then, and I dont understand it now. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alvin Starclusk Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 either him or hilary clinton i guess. the kerry campain was complacent' date=' the bush campaign was determined and confident. they won cause they're good at winning these things. i don't think kerry woulda been the answer to anything except for the not being bush thing, he was still one to babble on about striking america's enemies etc and he is probably just as enthralled by big business as bush is. it woulda been nice to see him throw away the conservative concessions he made for his campaign and try and offer a viable difference to bush rather than a moderate liberal campaign. he never looked like a president to my eyes, whereas bush always looked comfortable. oh well, we hoped for change, maybe it'll come next year in this country and we'll scare labour and fuck over the conservatives. put the lib dems in as official opposition and see if anything happens, maybe get the socialists and greens some seats in parliament.hope is a grand thing.[/quote']Nice idea in theory. The problem is that I'd imagine the Liberal Democrats would take considerably more votes from Labour than they would from the Tories, risking Michael Dracula Howard getting in by the back door. Also, I suspect that a lot of people who are prepared to vote Lib Dem in "smaller" elections would be more likely to vote tactically for Labour in a general election, which brings us to the same lesser-of-two-evils election campaign we've just witnessed in the States.The other real problem with the Lib Dems as a viable alternative is that whilst they're riding high (comparitively) in polls at the moment, this is largely due to the differing stance they've taken on Iraq. Their popularity is likely to wane as other issues are pushed to the fore before any general election next year. Which is not to say that their policies don't hold up, just that when it comes down to it, they're never going to get the coverage of the big two parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Jack Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I put forward the theory that a Bush win is better in the long run a while back, and I wonder if it still holds. Maybe the Democrats didn't even really want to win this one. A Democrat winning this year would just get the blame for the shit that is currently mid-air and heading towards the fan, then the Republicans would sweep back in in 2008. This way Bush has to take responsibility for the fucked US economy, the thousands of US coffins returning from a 'war' that more and more citizens are beginning to question. He may even lose control of the Senate in a couple of years. Then in 2008 the Democrats could have far more chance of gaining power, and keeping it.By the by, if Hillary Clinton stands and wins in 2008, then takes it to a second term, it will mean that the most powerful nation on Earth will have been run by the same two families for 27 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Found Power Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 John Edwards was clearly a much better candidate than John Kerry. Inexperienced maybe' date=' but witness the speeches tonight by Kerry and Edwards, like it or not Edwards is charismatic, exudes personality, is a skilled orator...basically everything that would have won the Democrats the election the way they fought their campaign (i.e. without too much regard for actual policies). I would put money on him being the President come 2008.[/quote']Fucking Thank You, I've been thinking this all week. He looks like JFK, how can they go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I might be anti Bush but I have never been anti American. The British are just as bad for voting Thatcher again and again. As hard talking (like Bush) as she was, she was a fucking joke. I can see many similarities between Bush and Thatcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I was thinking about this earlier' date=' and the inevitable opinions that would spring up that "Americans are idiots", yadayadayada ad infinitum, and then something struck me...We live in a country that between 1979 and 1997 voted in *FOUR* successive Tory government, THREE OF THEM WITH THATCHER AT THE HELM! And yet we criticise others.[/quote']Wasn't as if there was much opposition though - fair enough, Kinnock blew it when he should've won - but for 79, 83 and 87, there really wasn't much opposition from the Labour party at all. Heck, I'd rather have voted for the Alliance (SDP/Liberals) than vote for Labour during the 80's and nothing annoys me more than the liberal democrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I cant say I was a fan of Carrey but Bush???? Fucks sake who in their right mind would vote for him? Plenty people it seems. He is creating an insular America which is terrified of further attacks and Bush uses this fear to his advantage.this man ran for President you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scorge Spike Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 http://www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17795 , post #10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 this man ran for President you say? Would do a better job than Bush! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I put forward the theory that a Bush win is better in the long run a while back' date=' and I wonder if it still holds. Maybe the Democrats didn't even really want to win this one. A Democrat winning this year would just get the blame for the shit that is currently mid-air and heading towards the fan, then the Republicans would sweep back in in 2008. This way Bush has to take responsibility for the fucked US economy, the thousands of US coffins returning from a 'war' that more and more citizens are beginning to question. He may even lose control of the Senate in a couple of years. Then in 2008 the Democrats could have far more chance of gaining power, and keeping it.By the by, if Hillary Clinton stands and wins in 2008, then takes it to a second term, it will mean that the most powerful nation on Earth will have been run by the same two families for 27 years...[/quote']Well said. Bush fucked all this up, let him sort it out if he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psydoll Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 In reality' date=' Kerry is probably just as shite as Bush.[/quote']Exactly. I haven't read most of this thread but when you look at how Kerry has voted on key issues like war etc. I think that at least Bush is a bumbling 'man's man' kinda guy.America seems screwed anyways. As long as they don't bring down the rest of the world with them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 it doesn't matter if you're not happy' date=' you're in Aberdeen and not in America therefore you are ineligible to vote against Bush [/quote']And so the lives of Scots would not be affected by Bush's re-election? Did Bush not plunge us in to two wars, wars that have involved British servicemen? Has US action abroad not made the world a far more dangerous place?And what of US policy on the environment, on trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Am I the only one thats vaguely happy about it?Grantedly I'd rather NOT have Bush in power' date=' but between the two I'll take the known evil anyday. Kerrys policies seemed to be designed around scapegoating Bush and undoing all he had done. Wether some of the things he has done are right or not, to withdraw them now on the basis of popular opinion is insane.[/quote']Good god. *shakes head* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 this man ran for President you say? I need to stop drunk posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Cloud,I function upon Pro Plus... I am also retired from this *waves hand around*Erm.... also... I er... hate your face... so er... yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 *shakes head*that made NO sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 To explain it... I highlight the following as an explanation... Pro Plus My brain is frazzled and I haven't really slept. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HARRY Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Pro Plus is shit, used to take 6 before school and still couldnt help falling asleepThey are only slightly effective if they are taken with lucozade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Pro Plus is shit' date=' used to take 6 before school and still couldnt help falling asleepThey are only slightly effective if they are taken with lucozade[/quote']Pro Plus makes my chest ache.... I combined it with shit loads of cups of tea - with plenty of sugar.It's kept me awake... but I feel awful.... I predict I fall straight asleep when I get back from working my flyering shift (bring my "hours worked with fuck all sleep" total to 10.5 hours today... bah. Got to work 10 hours tomorrow aswell and 13 on saturday *cries*)And erm..... I don't like Bush, but I'm not suprised he got back in. *points to post by 'eat your parents' most american's see themselves as being in a war... also in the run up to the election Bush got 80-85% media coverage... and you know how american's love their TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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