Flossie T Sheep

No, it isnt, but ypu would think it is you're so far up the foyers arse I'm surprised you remember what sunlight looks like. The point is certainly not just that Aberdeen bands arent being chosen at all but that bands with no experience are being given places without even applying yet bands who in comparative terms dont know their arse from their elbow. The point was that bands who have gone out their to try and raise Aberdeen's profile have been missed for bands who have never left the cities boundaries. We're not talking about shit bands not being showcased, we're talking about bands who are rated outwith this city getting a chance in their own city. The only Aberdeen act which is included and it might be argued cover tht is MMw, the others are jokes. I would be interested to know how much all the sponsors know about the fact that GoNorth is a means to promote certained favoured bands who bypass the selection process. I'd hope that AUBL and aberdeen-music will remove their endorsements for future years until they prove that all bands chosen are from those submitted, why be associated with a com,petition who takes the piss out of the bands willing to contribute. I mean, what good does it really do Aberdeen to show 'the professionals' that our music scene is purely a bunch of kids who have only played a handfull of gigs?The Aberdeen scene should be about covering the best not the mates of Dave and the rest of the foyer bunch, it's a joke and it does absolutely nothing for the Aberdeen scene except making it look amateurish. Wheres the public face of the foyer in all this?Would he like to comment on why bands are being ased after the date without submitting demoes and why the better acts are being turned down in order for bands who strangely enough have all got promoter/foyer connections. If aberdeen-music is a GoNorth endorser then I think we are entitled to ask for an explanation. El Flosso

http://profiles.myspace.com/users/23485565 Well it made me laugh, but I need to get out more, El Flosso

Best Scottish band I've heard iin a log time, and just starting out,looking for gigs throughout scotland, check them out, i'm working on their new site should be up soon. Would love to hear any comments http://www.purevolume.com/tsid El Flosso

Pot... meet mr kettle El Flosso

"the cuts?" was that the same cuts who badmouthed fudge constantly after their last fudgenight appearance? Seems like its not worth wastiung your time with bands who have no respect for what you do. El Flosso

That's OK, neither do the band El Flosso

Well obviously no-one has any photo's because they're an imaginary band in the minds of some very sad forum members who have nothing better to do with their life than pretend they've recorded 3 albums ;)It's very sad, but some people have to pretend. El Flosso

Ah so Jo doesn't get a chance to win anything because you couldn't think of a place to put her. I wouldn't have said she was that different to Kathryn Sawyers, except for being more popular. I agree that Jo should get something, the girl's achieved so much more than any of the other bands nominated, she's sold thousands of CDs, played to more people in a few gigs than most people nominated play to their whole career. How many other acts on the bill have played to a sold out Barrowlands crowd ? Or shared a stage with Joe Walsh, or played the Amsterdam Paradiso. Is Fudge scared to reward excellence ? Scared it'll make the rest of the acts look like they haven't achieved anything ? She's been criminally overlooked in previous years, come on Fudge she deserves something, she's offered to play, don't let her miss out because of Fudge's lack of imagination on who she'd play with because she'd blow them off stage... Go Fudge, you know it makes sense... El Flosso

1. reality television - all of it is irrelevant and useless, i'd hardly call any of it reality anyway, you put a camera on someone and they act up, thats not honesty or reality, thats the human equivalent of a circus seal 2. celebrity gossip magazines - Heat, Closer and Hello are just a waste of paper, i can't understand why anyone cares so much for the content in such publications when it merely contains stories about celebrities doing basic things like doing their shopping in Asda or going to B&Q to buy some wallpaper in a way thats like "wow, look what these people are doing?! they're in Asda buying bread and milk!!!, how amazing!!!" 3. people talking on their mobile phones loud in public so everyone can hear them - i have to get the train to go down south a lot and there's always one suited imbecile who talks on his mobile phone in a way that he wants everyone within earshot of him to listen to him rabbit on about some deal he is doing and what he's done with his money, you can tell in most people's faces that they're all thinking the same word as you are - "hmmmm, yeah that guy on the phone is a total knobhead" 4. footballers these days - back in the day footballers earned less money but gave 100% commitment to every single game they played and they didn't dive about like most footballers do these days so they can win penalties or get people sent off, so many of them now shy away from tackles or defending, and if they get within two feet of the penalty box, they do a fucking Flipper the dolphin impression and dive, i went home and saw Porto play against my beloved Manchester United in the last Champions League down Old Trafford and fucking hell, everytime any of our lot even brushed past one of their lot they fell to the floor, its fucking terrible and that annoys me a lot but to be fair, Manchester United's lot are just as bad, i wish Cristiano Ronaldo would quit doing that shite because he's a talented enough player as it is without having to resort to cheating 5. people who wear t-shirts with ironic slogans on them like "pornstar" - its neither funny or clever or controversial, if you were really a pornstar you wouldn't be walking around like a normal person, you'd be walking around like John Wayne did in his cowboy movies best wishes el flosso

god help our country if they're not only immigrants but homosexual or a lesbian with a 40-a-day cigarette habits as well i see Hobbes is still on his moral crusade to try and ban everything in sight that doesn't fit into his own personal moral code of conduct this week its smoking i see and in his bespectacled crosshairs are smokers, i think its amusing how some people here are treating smokers with the same disdain as people in the Dark Ages treated lepers on the street i mean, what you gonna blame next for you having a little cough?, the chimneys on people's roofs? if we're going to ban smoking then i suggest alcohol should be banned as well for the sheer fact that it causes illnesses, internal damage and blood poisoning as well as fights which can result in severe injury and death, which is kind of what smoking does too just a thought, you can proceed with your knee jerk of a moral crusade now best wishes with your anti-smoking jihad against those stinky people who like to spark up, i hope it helps you sleep better at night el flosso

more democracy in action!

You said this - "As for your question regarding what difference I have made for the better: Better is a relative concept' date=' and I am not a political activist as I understand the word or indeed as some here seem to use it, I have a degree in politics, and am currently finishing a post grad looking at the role of information in political decision-making. I have also worked for an MP and have been involved in local government initiatives to improve participation. That is ACTUAL participation as I would understand it: getting communities to actively participate in the decision-making process rather than simply vote every 4 years. Something to be that is fundamentally necessary in any supposedly democratic society" and i responded with this - "i never asked for your CV or any of your dictionary definitions, i asked you to explain in detail what things you've done that makes our society better, i want you to explain what these endeavours you've merely mentioned above involve and stop skimming over the points. its all very well helping design a process that involves people in the decision-making process but ultimately it comes down to people's own freedom of choice as to who they cast their vote with, besides i thought you abhorred voting so why are you helping with the voting process anyway? and for the record, isn't helping people with making their decisions as to who they vote for taking people's democratic right to vote for whoever they want to vote for a bit of a flawed and fruitless process?, its like saying "here, i think you need a hand or a little push to who i think you should vote for" to which you said - "You say you never asked for my CV but asked what I had done that makes our society better. It is pointless to post what I think I have done to make society better because 1. As I have already told you better is wholly subjective concept, 2. It has no relevance to a discussion of activism (and if it does please tell me what relevance it has), 3. We will just end up arguing over whether particular activities do or do not make society better, and 4. Its is quite simply none of your business" so in short, you were the one not prepared to talk about what you had done as it would have apparently no relevance to this discussion, we would've ended up arguing about it and it was quite simply none of my business. if thats the case then there's no point whining about me asking you to talk about it then completely contradicting your own argument in a bundle of confusion is there? is that why you've interpreted so many posts by other people the wrong way then? call me cynical but you seem to tar everyone who doesn't think like you with the brush marked "idiot", is name-calling beneficial to you as an individual then? you complain about me name-calling yet you seem to resort to petty insults yourself when Doc and soundian never saw things your way, now you're acting the same way with myself what is there to comment about? you said they're open to interpretation and different to every individual, i am interested in reading your opinions but what would it matter what i said when my definition would be different to your's and you've also said you don't want to talk about it because we'd only argue about it schizophrenic?, you seem to think you're more of an authority on the subject because you admitted to having a degree in politics and you call people idiots for voting but the thing that beguiles me is for one person like yourself who seems to be so against voting and i believe you admitted to not voting either, you seem to complain and whine so much about something with which you choose on your own volition not to be part of but yet you also say that you're trying to improve the initiatives of the voting process by helping people with the decision-making process you also apparently seem to accuse myself and Doc of thinking voting itself is a "democracy", which is something you yourself has plucked out of air and ran with through your latest posts on this thread i don't really know where these comments about schizophrenia come from but i guess it takes one to know one, takes one to know themselves you said this to Doc - "I resorted to name calling as you put it because you haven't once been capable of answering any of the responses I have posted to the, frankly stupid, things you keep writing" you said this to soundian - "If your quite happy to vote for a political party without actually having a grasp of that partys policies then you are just an idiot" is there any point discussing anything with you when you think the people who disagree with you or anything you've said merely write stupid things and are idiots in your eyes? i think you discredit people with being stupid and seem to think if the march happened then it would've turned people into Nazis, i think people are smarter than that and can make their own choices about these subjects without people like yourself trying to tell them what you think they should do i don't think constructive arguments are in your vocabulary as far as i can see, not with us all being idiots and posting up stupid laughable opinions that lesser people like myself who vote every four years;) so on that note, here endeth talking to the monkey, i have said all i need to say and i will leave you to interpret my daft, laughable, contradictory and deconstructive arguments in whichever way you see fit to suit your own ego and satisfy your own amusement

i wanted to know what contributions you make that make our society and world a better place and contrast it with other people's contributions but once again' date=' you come across as a person who is pro-active in what they do and i was merely taking an interest as a fellow human being in what it is that you do ASF has no problem passing on information and sharing his brand of politics and his own solutions and thoughts with others so why is it so difficult for yourself to do the same? you talk like you have many solutions to all these political problems that dog our society and i was merely interested in you explaining your theories of how to tackle these problems regarding the voting process you don't want to share those with me so there we have it, end of discussion, no need to pursue any more questions if the answers aren't gonna come is there? well go write an essay about it, you clearly have the time on your hands to do it with the amount of tedious holier-than-thou garbage you seem to be spout on this thread over and over again, infrequently of course if you got all the right answers then go put them into action instead of wasting your time arguing with lesser people like me who vote every 4 years you clearly have too much time on your hands, some of us have wives and girlfriends to spend time with and have mates to go have a pint down the boozer with or just simply "have better things to do with our time" than sit around discussing this tiresome thread with tiresome people like yourself the fact i have better things to do with my time will dictate the end of this attempt at a conversation i was having with you, lets just call that my subjective assessment of how boring and tiresome your discussions are right now i don't think this thread is about discussing anything new at all, i think you're merely looking for arguments and that in itself is why you're so tiresome, you're just going over the same point over and over again, retreading old ground, this subject has been discussed in ten threads i keep asking "what more is there to be said that hasn't already been said on this thread or any of the other threads?" oh dear, you think people are so stupid as to believe a bunch of skinheads harping on about immigration and then go shave their own heads so they can join this motley crew of idiots and start World War 3 or the Fourth Reich or something like that? bit paranoid innit? oh sorry, put words in your mouth there again didn't i? is being called "tireless" what you would class as an insult these days?, is insomnia really that shameful? lol have a look at the initial insult again, it was tiresome and irrelevant Doc labelled you. i merely concurred with the insult he wrote about you, or the observation he made about you should i say? best wishes, el flosso

i think life would be a lot better if people were less indolent and apathetic and took an individual approach to changing things their way without resorting to extremist actions and infringing on the rights of other people but i think people are generally happy with their lot and are too comfortable with someone else taking control of their lives, thats the sad reality i would say thats occurred due to groups like that highlighting problems like immigration and terrorism and using them to their advantage to be perfectly honest with you i am not comparing them, i am talking about the reactions they might cause to certain people, i know the difference between a gay pride march and an NF march, they are polar opposites, i think anyone who doesn't realise that would be extremely stupid anyway;)

you were arguing the point about the voting process that various people like myself discussed, i never realised discussing voting was being obsessed about it, my wrong i don't think you're in any position to talk about talking about subjects obsessively anyway, you've been continuously talking about the National Front on not one but two threads have you not? no-one said democracy was simply about voting, you're looking for arguments that don't exist and fighting with your own shadow they still need people to vote don't they?, the people vote to put who they want in power don't they?, or are you saying that we have no involvement in the voting process at all now? whichever way you look at it, the country needs a system in place for it to run and maintain itself in some form or another i asked you to explain what it is you do and once again, you skim past the point to try and dilly dally around the subject by arguing about nothing at all i don't need to post any definitions because everyone has a different definition of what democracy is to them. please explain to me what i am so wrong in? did i post anything where i claimed i was right? i don't even know what you're meant to be debating anyway now because your arguments don't seem to have any meaning at all i, like anyone else who contributes to this forum, will involve myself in any discussion i wish. again, you missed the point of what i said and you're arguing about nothing in particular once again in your trademark tiresome fashion. i doubt any moderators here would allow the National Front or their sympathisers to post on here anyway so thats a pretty useless answer to that question. Publicity can be generate in positive or negative ways, the main aim is to provoke a reaction or a response from their actions and thats all those groups are concerned about, they want people to pay attention to them because no-one will ever take their brand of politics seriously. the fact of the matter is that people like yourself have paid them so much attention already for a matter thats been resolved, this thread was about stopping the march and so it has been stopped, what more is there to talk about? no, my point was that these threads were started so people could find ways to stop the march happening, it never happened - game over, end of story and goodnight Vienna, case closed yeah? cool, now get off your high horse. just echoing Doc's post - "You have become tiresome and irrelevant now"