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When you are out how do you think they act?

What would you like to see changed?

What do you think is an appropriate dress?

Any other observations greatly appreciated

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When you are out how do you think they act?

That's so broad it's impossible to answer. It's like asking "When you are on ab - music how do the users act?" Are you targeting somewhere specific? It varies so much from place to place it can't be answered in a general reply.

What do you think is an appropriate dress?

For where? What day of the week? At what time?

Any other observations greatly appreciated

You need to be more specific. Did you have a bad experience last night?

Whatever happened, don't tar all doorstaff with the same brush.

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Just noticed another post you've put up about getting models for staff uniforms - are you opening a new venue or something? Are you the new owner of old Drakes?

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Just noticed another post you've put up about getting models for staff uniforms - are you opening a new venue or something? Are you the new owner of old Drakes?

No, but he is (or was) a doorman.

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That's so broad it's impossible to answer. It's like asking "When you are on ab - music how do the users act?" Are you targeting somewhere specific? It varies so much from place to place it can't be answered in a general reply.

For where? What day of the week? At what time?

You need to be more specific. Did you have a bad experience last night?

Whatever happened, don't tar all doorstaff with the same brush.

He is a doorman!

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When you are out how do you think they act? It can vary. Some have an air of authority while managing to be pleasant and friendly. This is the way it should be. Some seem to pick random people out for refusal to the establishment. I can understand if the person trying to gain entry is abusive, falling over drunk or not meeting a dress code, but some refusals just seem totally random.

What would you like to see changed? Door policies being consistent and clear.

What do you think is an appropriate dress? The obligatory white shirt/black trousers/suitable black jacket for warmth seems to be functional and make door staff distinctive in a crowd and works.

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You'll know what I'm talking about then, MerryChristmas. I've got a few mates who are bouncers in Aberdeen and when folk talk about "bouncers" in general, it's iusually in a negative way.

Wrong spy.......

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You'll know what I'm talking about then, MerryChristmas. I've got a few mates who are bouncers in Aberdeen and when folk talk about "bouncers" in general, it's iusually in a negative way.

Wrong spy.......

I don't think im switched on enough to know what you are on about

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I don't think im switched on enough to know what you are on about

What I mean is - your original questions looked like they were from a point of view of someone who thinks "all bouncers are bastards." which obviously is not the case.

Some folk have one bad experience at the door of a venue and then think all bouncers would act in exactly the same way. Know what I mean?

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Yes, mixed feelings about bouncers. Despite having every sympathy for those whose paitence is tried to breaking-point by dealing with all sorts of tanked-up assholes etc. IME, many are excellent, conduct themselves with the right degree of authority politeness in an efficent & non-confrontational way whilst others are the exact opposite.

Still, the situation now is nothing as bad as a few years back when there were some absolute brain-outs on doors here. I have plenty of stories of being picked-on/harrassed & nights at venues where bouncers have failed to kick-off with customers, so started on the band, failed again & then ended-up kicking-lumps out of each other!

I'm also concerned that the current licencing climate has encouraged an overprovision of bouncers at places where they simply won't be needed & this does act as a deterrent to otherwise civilised customers. Remember that plenty of folk come to this city from places where it is still normal only to see doorstaff on places with a history of problems/trouble, so they tend to routinely avoid them. Also places like my work, for example. Our licenced facillity is literally feet inside the central zone & we now have to shell-out a small fortune for doorstaff at every internal event we hold. Despite having a completely untroubled record & no need for them whatsoever. :(

Oh, dress codes/most aspects of door policies - don't bother. Divisive/discriminatory crap IME. Turn me away & I'll not be bothering myself to throw good money after bad, or to try to meet your "standards" to get-in. Ever!

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When you are out how do you think they act?

What would you like to see changed?

What do you think is an appropriate dress?

Any other observations greatly appreciated

Most door stewards I have encountered are polite and friendly. Then I'm usually only in places where Option 1 are on the doors .

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Yes, mixed feelings about bouncers. Despite having every sympathy for those whose paitence is tried to breaking-point by dealing with all sorts of tanked-up assholes etc. IME, many are excellent, conduct themselves with the right degree of authority politeness in an efficent & non-confrontational way whilst others are the exact opposite.

Still, the situation now is nothing as bad as a few years back when there were some absolute brain-outs on doors here. I have plenty of stories of being picked-on/harrassed & nights at venues where bouncers have failed to kick-off with customers, so started on the band, failed again & then ended-up kicking-lumps out of each other!

I'm also concerned that the current licencing climate has encouraged an overprovision of bouncers at places where they simply won't be needed & this does act as a deterrent to otherwise civilised customers. Remember that plenty of folk come to this city from places where it is still normal only to see doorstaff on places with a history of problems/trouble, so they tend to routinely avoid them. Also places like my work, for example. Our licenced facillity is literally feet inside the central zone & we now have to shell-out a small fortune for doorstaff at every internal event we hold. Despite having a completely untroubled record & no need for them whatsoever. :(

Oh, dress codes/most aspects of door policies - don't bother. Divisive/discriminatory crap IME. Turn me away & I'll not be bothering myself to throw good money after bad, or to try to meet your "standards" to get-in. Ever!

Is it mandatory for licensed premises in this 'central zone' to have doorstaff? That sounds like extortion to me...

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When you are out how do you think they act? It can vary. Some have an air of authority while managing to be pleasant and friendly. This is the way it should be. Some seem to pick random people out for refusal to the establishment. I can understand if the person trying to gain entry is abusive, falling over drunk or not meeting a dress code, but some refusals just seem totally random.

What would you like to see changed? Door policies being consistent and clear.

What do you think is an appropriate dress? The obligatory white shirt/black trousers/suitable black jacket for warmth seems to be functional and make door staff distinctive in a crowd and works.

Agreed.

I find some are on a complete power trip though. I was once in Opium (goodness knows why) dancing with some pretty girls that I know well and were under absolutely no threat fro me when a bouncer approached me and said "whats your problem?". I had no idea how to react as I didn't know what he was referring to so replied "sorry, I'm not sure what you mean?". He then said something along the lines of "are we going to have a problem here?" and then I was forcefully escorted from the establishment (I was perfectly happy to leave by this point but this guy must have had a good 3 stone on me felt the need to half nelson me whilst dragging me up the stairs.)

hmm.

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Is it mandatory for licensed premises in this 'central zone' to have doorstaff? That sounds like extortion to me...

Aparently so, certainly for anywhere with a late licence at weekends.

500 extra on the cost of the last staff do we had - numbers required two doorpersons.

No doubt any of the pub/club people on here could explain the current local regs more clearly than I. It has been a while since I last need to know them backwards.

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Aparently so, certainly for anywhere with a late licence at weekends.

500 extra on the cost of the last staff do we had - numbers required two doorpersons.

No doubt any of the pub/club people on here could explain the current local regs more clearly than I. It has been a while since I last need to know them backwards.

I think i'm going to set up a competative door 'firm'

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rarely have i met any bouncers that got me angry (except priory). i no longer give my custom to priory for the simple reason of the bouncers there.

everywhere else the bouncers are polite to me and being quite young get asked for ID most of the time, which is them doing their job correctly,well in belmont st anyway, i can easily walk in most places up nearer bud bar etc where the bouncers are a lot more lax and let anyone in it seems

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I think i'm going to set up a competative door 'firm'

You might get your chance when full SIA licencing is implemented in Scotland later next year. Many of the folk behind the established firms won't pass muster on the security-clearancees due to "interesting" pasts. ATM, only the frontline staff need to be clean to get a licence. ;)

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never really had a problem any bouncers. when im asked for id always hand it over politely, most are even up for a laugh. no doubt a few overstate their authority but it must be a very hard job...dealing with drunks when stone sober is hell, so i have a degree of pity for them.

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rarely have i met any bouncers that got me angry (except priory). i no longer give my custom to priory for the simple reason of the bouncers there.

everywhere else the bouncers are polite to me and being quite young get asked for ID most of the time, which is them doing their job correctly,well in belmont st anyway, i can easily walk in most places up nearer bud bar etc where the bouncers are a lot more lax and let anyone in it seems

Priory has nice friendly doorstaff

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Priory has nice friendly doorstaff

they do...myself and matthew was in there on Sunday night - not only was Mark and his band of black jaket 'got any I.D mate' brothers very friendly...we got talking to a very drunk and comical off duty member of the priory bouncer club!

I also got to see "Merry Christmas" kick a drunk twat out of the club (and it wasnt me)

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I've never had a problem with doorstaff, apart from being asked for ID on my way into work by a doorman who *knew* I worked there. And also the whole 'that's not you on your ID' pissed me off when going to the Moorings, I believe that was you on the door Merry Christmas, both times infact? Once is vaguely amusing, but *everytime* me or my friends went there was just annoying.

Doorstaff should be approachable and friendly but not too chatty, that's when you get grief from the really drunk folk. It's a lot harder to chuck someone out or refuse them drink if you've been bantering with them all night. Best to keep a distance.

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When you are out how do you think they act?

Good, as long as you know who's got the power to kick you in everything works well.

What would you like to see changed?

I think they should take more respponsibility for fights that occur on the doorstep of the club they are bouncing rather than standing back. They are trained to deal with these scenarios and should take more responsiblity in stopping them. It's like a fireman not putting a fire.

What do you think is an appropriate dress?

What they wear at the moment is fine. Although Velcro jumpsuits wouldn't go a miss.

Any other observations greatly appreciated

Some bouncers are cool - others are dicks who use their superiority to bully people. A mate of mine got an arm broken once after he was pinned to the wall by a bouncer - even though he was defending himself against being attacked in liquid.

That incited a riot and the cops ended up arriving on the scene. Even though we wanted to press charges we were powerless, an innocent walked away with a broken arm and that was that in the eyes of the law. There should be some sort of council that deals with wrongfull bouncing, and it should be taken seriously enough to suggest that the bouncer may actually be wrong in his judgment.

But apart from iscolated incidents like that - most bouncers are good at what they do.

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