Dayeth Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Its Christmas time dude be merry' date=' death isn't funny in the slightest...[/quote']Unless it was Cliff Richard's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayeth Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 Guys' date=' it's really quite simple.God is... [/quote']Despite sounding clever, what more does that mean that "God exsists"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstarsupervillain Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 True, if you are a fundamentalist. Those damn liberals, however, talk about how God created humans through the use of the evolutionary process. It is all about the question of literal interpretation of the Bible. This equally begs the question, though, of whether or not humanity in its current state is the end God intended: are we supposed to go further? If not, at what point did we become truly "human"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skubbs Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 i don't agree with religions. i find them too restrictive and i found that the strictest religious people are really dictators. people strongly object to brainwashing and cults- but i don't really see the difference.well as perfectly stated on the back of the (hugely common) Breed 77 Tshirts, "Religion Kills" and I agree perfectly with that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayeth Posted December 26, 2004 Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 well as perfectly stated on the back of the (hugely common) Breed 77 Tshirts' date=' "Religion Kills" and I agree perfectly with that one.[/quote']We could all learn a thing or two from Breed 77......oh nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2004 If you believe in God' date=' and when you die it turns out that it doesn't, well then at least you were prepared in case it did. I think harry hill said that, or something to that effect. harry hill has no hair.[/quote']I've just noticed this quote and it seams like the time is ripe for some namedropping.I spent an evening with Harry Hill once, we went to a party after he played the Lemon Tree. Believe me, he don't care about such subjects, all he wants is people to laugh at his jokes and give him lots of money. He is funny though.The funniest bit of the night was when the girl whose party, it was slapped Harry's face and threw him out out of her house for being a smart arse. A few months later he's on telly with his own series. Ah well such is life..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Despite sounding clever' date=' what more does that mean that "God exsists"?[/quote']It wasn't meant to sound clever! From what i have read and have learned from talking to people, all religions have the same ultimate goal, pure love of god... however, I think that through time man has altered and added interpretations and rules etc and manipulated what was once, probably, a very pure thing. You dont need the books, ie the bible, bhagavad gita or the quran etc to realise and feel that god is.Basically, I think that religions are flawed interpretations of the divine love of god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neubeatz Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Matt Johnson;God is evil,God is love,God is the force,That posesses us.I believe that religion really is an individual perception thing, the denial of mortality by the embrace of morality. Not very logical to me, although as long as you want to believe that...., just dont force it on me thanks..I do believe in the basic christian morals though, but I know that that wont save me.If there is an all giving/nurturing being, then surely it is the SUN without which we would definately perish,The planet that we rape and pillage so inconsiderately is ultimately a living entity in its own right, also dependent upon the SUN, the all giving life force, The planet in turn provides us with all that is catalysed by the suns energy, and can be compared to a parrallel with a so called "son of god"Indeed, perhaps a "daughter of god is more applicable to the "mother earth",Oh well, enough information for one day, lest it is too much for individuals to absorb in one go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Commander Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Time for my tuppence worth. i believe that God exists, but I don't go around forcing other people to my way of thinking, and I think others should respect EVERYONE'S opinion, whether they agree or not. Those that force their opinions come across to me as being insecure with their own beliefs.Merry Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew DigiTek Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Christian God is bullshit.But always, to Allah we pray for the return of the Prophet some day.You read the Bible, now read the Quran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medichi Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 The simplest way I can put it is that religion was created by a few devious people to subjugate a lot of gullible people.That's religion - not god. Keep to the debate..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew DigiTek Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 All I'm saying is read the Bible which I bet 90% of you have read most of it, school or whatever, Then read the Quran and all your Christian views will change. Trust me. Your views on the Christian God will change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 All I'm saying is read the Bible which I bet 90% of you have read most of it' date=' school or whatever, Then read the Quran and all your Christian views will change. Trust me. Your views on the Christian God will change[/quote'] Same god, different prophet. (I'm sure there's a joke about prophet margins there). I don't beleive in the christian god so I'm hardly going to beleive in the same god with different wrapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 That's religion - not god. Keep to the debate.....Ha, right enough. Not that any other threads go off-topic, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer_eldritch Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Religion and science both deal with the same subjects (what created the universe?). Scientists explain the universe with "the big bang". Then their left with the question of "what created the big bang?" and so on, and so onMaybe what created the big bang WAS the same God-like force that religion already has. Science's god is expressed through Algebra.(PS I know nothing except my own ignorance! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Thank you all discussing my question. It's been interesting. I think the latest events under the Indian Ocean prove that if God does exist he/she/it is a cruel son of a bitch. I don't think anything will change my mind. I am an athiest and as a result have to fight against apathy on a daily basis.I think I'll pop along to the Moorings on the 30th to see The Void. As a token of my appreciation I will buy the first person, who has contributed to this thread, a drink. All you have to do is give me the password which is "Girraffe"Single measures only.CheersBuffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Im undecided. If people ask I suppose I class myself as spiritual, I just feel that helping people and being a good person and friend is good! I have friends who look at Christianity ranging from, "I love and worship god" to "Christianity is a mental illness"ALthough I am referring to one main religion, it is the main religion here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon Of The Fall Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Just a couple of (friendly) questions; why do you equate belief in God with "apathy"? And why do you assume that' date=' if He exists, He deliberately inflicts natural disasters on mankind?[/quote']i think what he ment was: if there was a god why did he let it happen? the answers from most christains when asked somthing like this is:1: its all part of a big plan where somthing truly wonderfull will happen2: it was satan3: *runs away* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I believe God exists. It's gut feeling not based on reason, a bit like love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreskin Ninja Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 i think what he ment was: if there was a god why did he let it happen? the answers from most christains when asked somthing like this is:1: its all part of a big plan where somthing truly wonderfull will happen2: it was satan3: *runs away*How about asking "most christains", instead of putting words into their mouths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted December 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Just a couple of (friendly) questions; why do you equate belief in God with "apathy"? And why do you assume that' date=' if He exists, He deliberately inflicts natural disasters on mankind?[/quote']I didn't mean to say it was the sole cause of apathy, it just contributes to it. I don't beleive in anything and therefore sometimes life seams pointless. I'm not depressed, I don't even see the point in that. I don't do as much as i should sometimes because well.. like i said what's the point.And in answer to the second question, well if he exists isn't he supposed to create everything. Didn't he make this world and all it's flaws. Maybe he's just crap at his job. Maybe there are lots of Gods with their own little worlds and he is the Frank Spencer of the GodRace.mmm i quite like that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer_eldritch Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Thank you all discussing my question. It's been interesting. I think the latest events under the Indian Ocean prove that if God does exist he/she/it is a cruel son of a bitch. I don't think anything will change my mind. I am an athiest and as a result have to fight against apathy on a daily basis.I think I'll pop along to the Moorings on the 30th to see The Void. As a token of my appreciation I will buy the first person' date=' who has contributed to this thread, a drink. All you have to do is give me the password which is "Girraffe"Single measures only.CheersBuffalo[/quote']Popping along to the moorings wouldnt be a bad idea at all! Maybe Aberdeen's only space rock band can answer your question of "does god exist..."...*lets emphisise that by saying, the LAST chance to see Aberdeen's ONLY space rock band!* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gilly Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Popping along to the moorings wouldnt be a bad idea at all! Maybe Aberdeen's only space rock band can answer your question of "does god exist..."...*lets emphisise that by saying' date=' the LAST chance to see Aberdeen's ONLY space rock band!* [/quote']i'm going.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash@TMB Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 What follows does not necessarily reflect the personal beliefs of this author, and may not even be accurate. In fact anyone with access to Google and a strong desire to cause trouble, can and no doubt will turn this into a flame war. OK here goes LOL nothing:Assuming that big bang [edit thanks jester!] theory is correct, then the universe exploded out of a singularity, an infinitesimally small point of nothingness. In other words nothingness begat something, in fact it begat everything.Science spent a long time locked in a cold war with the Roman Catholic Church. Allegedly due to this most science operates from a starting principle that God does not exist. This may be something of a deception since many notable scientists were also deeply active in the occult. The term occult is derived from the word occluded which means 'hidden'. Occult knowedge is hidden knowledge (not secret knowledge). Allegedly much of that which we now recognise as science was originally occult although presented from a very different perspective. The number zero was allegedly originally an occult concept, and the first card in the Tarot - The Fool was allegedly numbered '0' long before that concept and it's symbol appeared in mainstream mathematics. In the occult God is considered to be unmanifest, that which is not manifested. Roughly this means God is composed out of pure nothingness. So according to that theory God does exist... as nothing. Now according to mainstream science nothing begat the universe, so technically it would be correct (in the loosest sense) to present this as: God does not exist.The same hidden body of knowledge also predicts that the universe is 11 dimensional and that solid matter ultimately consists of vibrating energy. Furthermore it states that the universe is split into 2 parts, one 5 dimensional microcosm symbolised by the pentagram (the physical universe that consists of length, breadth, height, time, and a pure energy dimension), and a 6 dimensional macrocosm symbolised by the hexagram (the astral universe; the makeup of this is harder to explain). This is all consistent with superstring theory and TOE. There are also some parallels to quantum mechanics and occult theory offers an interesting explanation for quantum chaos... this is where the concept of magic (or magick) stems from; that our thoughts do through the unmanifest push things around at a quantum level causing change in conformity with the will whether intentional or otherwise.This stuff all operates on a non-faith principle known as self demonstrability. Whereas science operates on the more dubious concept of general demonstrability (you should believe what scientists show you). Personally I take eveything with a huge pinch of salt The concepts of all prevailing good and evil, heaven and hell, a male God, and Satan were all created by the church, and other related religions, Judism, Islam, and Christianity all share the same (and hugely misinterpreted) first 5 books of the Old Testament.Events that cause death and destruction are only considered bad where death is believed to be final. Factor in reincarnation and the concept of the immortal soul, and the outlook is very different.Death is useful, without death Bill Gates would quickly own the whole world. Death to Bill!LMAO.Well all this is interesting if nothing else, unfortunately I'll probably get sent to Hell for typing it. LVX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew DigiTek Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Islam is the main religion ! and you could always say, "Why did Allah Let this disaster happen" but then you could say "Is this Gods way for cutting down the population ?" All I mean is there are two side to every story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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