Paranoid Android Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Yeah that's him headbanging away. He loves it, he does. Big fan of the bongos and guitar combo. Even better with some Russian vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 that is just pure genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Woy is a Bez type band member, just bopping away, he certainly looks like he is getting into the beat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I love the fact that Sir Alex appears to be the Bez of the group. Only without maracas.edit - ha a bez coincidence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 ha ha ha! Oh yes Fergie is without instrument either!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 Who needs an instrument, when you're laying down moves like that? Tap that fucking watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 How?Basically what Murrr said.I hate Rangers, don't get me wrong. But I think that taking out one of the two major teams in a league can only be trouble. Rangers have a massive fanbase and we would pretty much lose their (the fans') financial and even moral contribution to the league, as "scummy" as they are.I hope the points you raise come true but I cant see TV rights even existing for games not involving Celtic. Right now (barring BBC Alba) they seem to be fairly reluctant to show the smaller games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I doubt a club as big as Rangers will go bust, even if they did then an AFC Rangers would rise from the ashes but would have to start at the bottom of the ladder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm sure there are some rich enough Rangers fans to make an "AFC Rangers" work. Or at least richer than those that made Gretna 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm sure there are some rich enough Rangers fans to make an "AFC Rangers" work. Or at least richer than those that made Gretna 2008.I suspect that this has been Craig Whyte's intention all along. Take on the club for £1 and transfer the £18million debt into one of his other companies. Then he's borrowed £20 million odd against season ticket sales to go on top of the £45 million from HMRC. Rather than deal with all that in a slow, long process which sees the huns actually pay their creditors he'll just plunge the club into administration and as the owner and one of the main creditors take the option to transfer the assets into a new company. Leaves HMRC, season ticket holders and all the other creditors (inc. other SPL and league clubs) swinging but the club will still exist with the stadium and training facilities that he can then sell on to another owner.Not sure what happens to the £18 million in debt but then if he used the ticket us loan to pay for that I don't suppose he cares. The company it's transferred to will probably be folded as well. Rangers will still exist but in the process they will fuck over a large number of clubs, the taxpayer and their fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphas Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I read on a Rangers message board yesterday someone claiming they only went into administration after the transfer window closed so the administrators couldn't strip them of all their good players. Comedy gold those message boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I also read that even if they went down the route Chris is talking about, the land Murray Park is on cannot be used for houses, so the value of the land is quite low, and part of Ibrox is a listed building, so they cannot sell off the stadium for re-development. I do think Chris has it spot on, he will transfer all the assets of Rangers to a new company AFC Rangers or something and basically shaft everyone out of their money. What happens in terms of the SPL im not sure tho, i highly doubt we have seen the last of Rangers as we know them in the long run, but will they ever get back to the level they have been at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJimF Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 HMRC are trying to force Rangers into Administration - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 HMRC are trying to force Rangers into Administration - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172Interesting. Is there any way that if HMRC force the club into administration now they will get preferred creditor status instead of Whyte? As far as I understand it his secured £18 million trumps the unsecured debt of everyone else, including HMRC. If HMRC are able to take control of the club's future I'm not sure what that would mean for the long term survival of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Chris: As hard as it is to believe that Whyte would opt to start a whole new club (although essentially the same with the same players who choose not to leave, I guess), he's probably going to do that or something similar, yeah. Pretty mental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJimF Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Rangers now have until 15:30 to appoint an administrator, but Chris your right, as a secured creditor, Whyte can create a phoenix club and HMRC can't do anything with regards to getting the money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Now I think Tevez' behaviour entirely acceptable. He didn't like the tone of voice his manager spoke to him in so refused to do his job.http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17019634 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 There must be something the tax man can do to secure some kind of money back but im no expert in that side of things.I did read another conspiracy theory that this has been set up by Murray, Whyte is nothing more than a face for all the bad publicity, when the shit really hits the fan Murray will come and buy the club back, bad mouth all Whyte has done, and been seen as the saviour, but i find it all a bit far fetched really, plus surely there would be questions Murray would have to answer if that did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonie Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 The mess they're in is because of Murray's management of the club tho - so even in coming back and buying them out, he'd do little to salvage his reputation. From what I remember at the time, his own companies were hardly in fine fettle either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJimF Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 There must be something the tax man can do to secure some kind of money back but im no expert in that side of things.I did read another conspiracy theory that this has been set up by Murray, Whyte is nothing more than a face for all the bad publicity, when the shit really hits the fan Murray will come and buy the club back, bad mouth all Whyte has done, and been seen as the saviour, but i find it all a bit far fetched really, plus surely there would be questions Murray would have to answer if that did happen.Murray could come back under the terms of the sale, but it would be a long hard process.When asked for his opinion on how the club's predicament would affect Murray's legacy, Johnston replied: "It is seriously jeopardised, for sure."But he revealed that under the terms of the sale of the club to Whyte, the steel magnate could, theoretically, return as club owner."One of the avenues that could be pursued - and I wouldn't suggest it with any degree of confidence because it will take substantive effort and money - is that, in the terms of the sales purchase agreement (SPA), the only outside entity that actually has a right of recourse if Mr Whyte defaulted on any of his commitments, is Murray."That won't be easy because the language [of the agreement] is a little fluid and flexible."But there is a suggestion that a lot of things could be unwound if Murray International chose to look at the SPA, take some action and and see how far they went."If David were to do that, I think it would help the perception of his legacy."In practice, it would be a long struggle."Keep in mind, there is no appetite from David to do this and, given his destiny over his wealth is still under the strong jurisdiction of Lloyds Bank, I can't imagine Lloyds saying, 'David, we'll allow you to get Rangers back'."http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17020490 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonie Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/feb/14/rangers-david-murray-financial-crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Official... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17025344How deadly would Spurs be with a midfield of Parker, Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart and Eden Hazard? Pace to burn and a fair amount of skill too. Just hope they actually remember to defend. If they manage to buy Hazard and Adebayor they could really do well next season if they can keep their defence fit. Full backs are arguably their biggest weakness but with that much attacking talent they could just use the old Real Madrid policy of concede loads but just make sure to score one more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOX Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Really hope Chelsea nab Hazard and not Tottenham, hate Tottenham so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I was reading one of the Tottenham boards, since the papers seem to think that Hazard to Spurs will mean Modric to United. I doubt United will pay the ridiculous money Levy will demand for Modric, but that little merry-go-round started up some debate that Modric will never go to United and play alongside a Serbian (Vidic). I thought that was a little odd, since Modric made it clear he was interested in going to Chelsea, and he's probably aware Branislav Ivanovic wasn't born in Notting Hill. I think Modric also probably knows the separation of Yugoslavia wasn't the fault of the Vidic family. Football fans say the darndest things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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