Cloud Posted October 15, 2006 Report Share Posted October 15, 2006 Not really. About half of suicides are based on snap decisions made within ten minutes of the inital impulse.Do you have a source for that? I'd be quite interested to know where you got that from.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Borlax Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Do you have a source for that? I'd be quite interested to know where you got that from..why you planning on doing one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I think the last thing Id be thinking of is "I hope no kids see this" as I jump off a bridge.Also, it's selfish, but not as selfish as the homeless cunt in Edinburgh not too long ago who threatened to do it, and had the police trying to talk him down off South Bridge, then chucked his dog off first.I dont know if he ended up jumping, but I hope he fucking did and paralyzed himself and lives out the rest of his years back on the streets, the cunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 I think the last thing Id be thinking of is "I hope no kids see this" as I jump off a bridge.Also, it's selfish, but not as selfish as the homeless cunt in Edinburgh not too long ago who threatened to do it, and had the police trying to talk him down off South Bridge, then chucked his dog off first.I dont know if he ended up jumping, but I hope he fucking did and paralyzed himself and lives out the rest of his years back on the streets, the cunt.I think I'd be doing the most thinking I'd ever done in my fucking life before throwing myself to my doom.And you're right. What that homless guy did is inhuman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 why you planning on doing one?Haha, no...just interested in it from a psychology point of view, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Haha, no...just interested in it from a psychology point of view, I guess.Or maybe a 'how do you figure out that roughly half of all suicide victims who die within ten minutes of deciding their fate even confide in someone' point of view.The statistic is impossible speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Or maybe a 'how do you figure out that roughly half of all suicide victims who die within ten minutes of deciding their fate even confide in someone' point of view.The statistic is impossible speculation.Hey, give him a chance to back it up. For all you or I know, he might be quoting from something respected on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hey, give him a chance to back it up. For all you or I know, he might be quoting from something respected on the matter.Fair point.But even if some Frasier Crane type did back it up, I'd still be sceptical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Borlax Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Fair point.But even if some Frasier Crane type did back it up, I'd still be sceptical.is that because they are fictional characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addi Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-10/ra-nsr101705.phpThat is the best link I can find at the moment (although im sure there are better ones to be found). Im also sure i read it offline somewhere first, possibly new scientist. I'd check about it but im in edinburgh and all my old new scientists are in aberdeen.Edit:Found a nice one on samaritans website too: http://www.samaritans.org.uk/know/pressoffice/news/news_291205_popup.shtm Although they seem to look at it more from the alcohol related point of view.It's pretty much the same story though. Just put "Dr Marianne Wyder" into google and that seems to bring up similar articles in lots of places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 is that because they are fictional characters?67% of people know a real life Frasier Crane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-10/ra-nsr101705.phpThat is the best link I can find at the moment (although im sure there are better ones to be found). Im also sure i read it offline somewhere first, possibly new scientist. I'd check about it but im in edinburgh and all my old new scientists are in aberdeen.Edit:Found a nice one on samaritans website too: http://www.samaritans.org.uk/know/pressoffice/news/news_291205_popup.shtm Although they seem to look at it more from the alcohol related point of view.It's pretty much the same story though. Just put "Dr Marianne Wyder" into google and that seems to bring up similar articles in lots of places.Well said.I'm gonna eat humble pie on this one and admit that you came through there.I'd still speculate that the thoughts that go through the mind of an individual suicide victim aren't as simply proven through a scientific survey however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 how did they find out? did they wait by bridges around the globe for people to climb over the side and then pounce the question "how long ago did you decide to top yourself?"I mean, how the fuck else do you find out things from a suicide victims point of view?Ridiculous.EDIT:Yeah, okay, they ask people that "attempted" suicide. But I still don't buy it. They're not actual suicide victims, maybe all the oens that did die were planning it for months, there is a 95% probability rate of this, because I asked them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Also, it still doesn't explain the method.Even if it was a snap decision, the percentage of it being completely un-premiditated is much lower than the 51%.edit: what a lovely topic for a Monday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCrisis Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Didn't someone once jump off there feet first in a suicide attempt and just paralyse himself...Years ago a guy I know threw himself off and survived the plummet with minor injuries to his spine. The wind and cross-air currents buffeted him and forced his landing on to the roof of a portakabin.Others haven't been so lucky.It's still shocking to hear of it happening. Poor bloke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Also, it's selfish, but not as selfish as the homeless cunt in Edinburgh not too long ago who threatened to do it, and had the police trying to talk him down off South Bridge, then chucked his dog off first.He threw his dog off first?! That's fucked up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
french_disko Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 He threw his dog off first?! That's fucked up...Yeah, but not as fucked up as killing yourself..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fast Caz Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 What and noone jumped after him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted October 16, 2006 Report Share Posted October 16, 2006 Interesting topic this, if a tad ghoulish. As I said earlier, I've known a fair few people who have killed themselves and you always think about it, wondering if there were any hints/warning signs you could have picked up on,if you could have said/done something to help them, and in every single case, there have been none whatsoever. When one person kills themselves, there has often been a domino effect among their peers/family i.e. a few more follow suit, using the same method, usually hanging, and usually in the same place. Conversely, I've also known people who've said they've been considering suicide for a long time. None of them have actually done it (yet). I'm not sure if there's a moral to this, but that's my tuppenceworth. I always think of that line from the play "Gagarin Way":"Suicide's a fantastic option, we're lucky tae hae it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Yeah, but not as fucked up as killing yourself.....I'm no psychologist but I think this is the essential point here. Suicide is a horrific result of mental illness and therefore the perceived selfishness of this individual should really be overlooked. Also if you don't care about anything enough to live then I don't suppose you care too much about people witnessing your death? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHorse Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I was injured several weeks ago in an attempted suicide and ended up in A&E. Broke a bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I was injured several weeks ago in an attempted suicide and ended up in A&E. Broke a bone.Your own attempt or somebody elses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 I always think of that line from the play "Gagarin Way":"Suicide's a fantastic option, we're lucky tae hae it."We're lucky to hae not only the act of it, but also the idea of it, as Nietzsche said: "The thought of suicide is a great source of comfort: with it a calm passage is to be made across many a bad night". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 The man has been identified:http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149235&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149218&contentPK=15705591&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Jack Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 In related news - the brother of Lightning Seeds' Ian Broudie has just killed himself by throwing himself off Liverpool Cathedral -http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=top-lawyer-cathedral-death-plunge%26method=full%26objectid=17945121%26siteid=50061-name_page.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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