Mick Maverik Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Few people might hate me for this...Red Hot Chilli PeppersFoo FightersYes!!! Thankyou!!!!!!!!Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 pop tart just likes to mention such people when trying to prove a point. He appears to have some kind of 60's versus 80's thing going on in his mind.I've nowt at all against the 60s. Infact' date=' it depresses me that music will never matter as much as it did then. However, I do have a considerable amount against the deification of Jimi Hendrix, and against the [b']70s, but that's for the other thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I've nowt at all against the 60s. Infact' date=' it depresses me that music will never matter as much as it did then. However, I do have a considerable amount against the deification of Jimi Hendrix, and against the [b']70s, but that's for the other thread...I agree in some respects about your 70s comment although it's mainly the early to mid period... but just coz people went into widdly, epic guitar solo territory it is not the fault of Jimi Hendrix. To borrow from John Lennon's quote "Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary.", so people who claim an influence don't necessarily get the point e.g. Oasis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 I've nowt at all against the 60s. Infact' date=' it depresses me that music will never matter as much as it did then. However, I do have a considerable amount against the deification of Jimi Hendrix, and against the [b']70s, but that's for the other thread...I'm sure Mr Hendrix would be against his deification as well, but nothing you say or do is going to change the fact that he made amazing forward looking music! I'm curious to know, do you listen to much Blues and Jazz or stuff that isn't song based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I'm curious to know' date=' do you listen to much Blues and Jazz or stuff that isn't song based?[/quote']I do listen to stuff that isn't song based, but just not when it's done by pop acts. I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts, because - as I've said before - blues and jazz are just other examples of low art, with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop". I think that all pop/low art should deal in is disposable, danceable songs, whereas classical -as the only musically based high art - can aspire to produce music in forms other than song. To be honest, I'm more of a classical tart than I am a pop tart, but I don't talk about it on here because classical music and pop music aren't comparablep.s. I've probably unfairly dismissed the eastern music you love so much. If I were to hear it in a concert hall, I'd probably find that it is high art as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I do listen to stuff that isn't song based' date=' but just not when it's done by pop acts. I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts, because - as I've said before - blues and jazz are just other examples of low art, with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop". I think that all pop/low art should deal in is disposable, danceable songs, whereas classical -as the only musically based high art - can aspire to produce music in forms other than song. To be honest, I'm more of a classical tart than I am a pop tart, but I don't talk about it on here because classical music and pop music aren't comparable[/quote']Jesus christ, what a load of... I think you need to take some acid and/or get laid more! p.s. I've probably unfairly dismissed the eastern music you love so much. If I were to hear it in a concert hall' date=' I'd probably find that it is high art as well[/quote']That would depend on which "eastern" music you were to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen B Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Jesus christ' date=' what a load of... I think you need to take some acid and/or get laid more! That would depend on which "eastern" music you were to hear![/quote']It would have to be speed for this fellow if anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I do listen to stuff that isn't song based' date=' but just not when it's done by pop acts. I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts, because - as I've said before - blues and jazz are just other examples of low art, with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop". I think that all pop/low art should deal in is disposable, danceable songs, whereas classical -as the only musically based high art - can aspire to produce music in forms other than song. To be honest, I'm more of a classical tart than I am a pop tart, but I don't talk about it on here because classical music and pop music aren't comparablep.s. I've probably unfairly dismissed the eastern music you love so much. If I were to hear it in a concert hall, I'd probably find that it is high art as well[/quote']Did you post this waffle to piss people off or do you speak shite all the time? "I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts" you do know that pop is an abbreviation of popular?"blues and jazz are just other examples of low art, with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop" ....value....???? what the fuck are you on about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Did you post this waffle to piss people off or do you speak shite all the time? "I consider blues and jazz musicians to be pop acts" you do know that pop is an abbreviation of popular?"blues and jazz are just other examples of low art' date=' with no more value than what is commonly known as "pop" ....value....???? what the fuck are you on about?[/quote']If "pop" just meant "popular" then it would have been used to describe whatever filled the void before the 50s. "Big band" or whateverBy "value" I mean artistic merit. Go on and try and change my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonie Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 what is this "value" of which you speak? /x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Go on and try and change my mindWhy dont you try to open your own mind instead? Forget all these self made rules about what should and shouldn't be allowed within certain styles of music etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Why dont you try to open your own mind instead? Forget all these self made rules about what should and shouldn't be allowed within certain styles of music etc!I've tried to enjoy Hendrix and jazz and raga shit, and there was a time when I thought I did, but I realised I was fooling myself. You know what, I really think they might sound half-way decent to my ears if I did drop some acid......but that's not going to happen, because of popTart's Rules of Pop #46: "Pop should be made to sound good while the listener is high on alcohol and/or Prittstick, since these are the stimulants most readily to it's core audience." Therefore: Captain Sensible - 1 Hendrix and Johnstone's raga-shit - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I've tried to enjoy Hendrix and jazz and raga shit' date=' and there was a time when I thought I did, but I realised I was fooling myself. You know what, I really think they might sound half-way decent to my ears if I did drop some acid......but that's not going to happen, because of popTart's Rules of Pop #46: "Pop should be made to sound good while the listener is high on alcohol and/or Prittsitck, since these are the stimulants most readily to it's core audience." Therefore: Captain Sensible - 1 Hendrix and Johnstone's raga-shit - 0[/quote']Can you post some more rules please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Ah, but wait!!!Captain Sensible LOVED the Soft Machine(far out dadaist-jazz music), plus his former band mate Rat Scabies recently played drums with Donovan...Captain Sensible - 1 johnston's(no e) raga shit - 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 If "pop" just meant "popular" then it would have been used to describe whatever filled the void before the 50s. "Big band" or whateverBy "value" I mean artistic merit. Go on and try and change my mindWell big band music was the pop of its day....but "pop" will have been a word used by some music journo of the 60's I guess.And if you cand see any "artistic merit" in blues and jazz musicians you are a truley sad and blinkered individual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Ah' date=' but wait!!!Captain Sensible LOVED the Soft Machine(far out dadaist-jazz music), plus his former band mate Rat Scabies recently played drums with Donovan...Captain Sensible - 1 johnston's(no e) raga shit - 2[/quote']Haha, I know, I've been reading all about the prog-tendencies of supposed hardline punks in Simon Reynolds "Rip It Up and Start Again". Like Wire, of whom NME said "they've gone from Pink Flag to Pink Floyd" when they released their 2nd album (their 1st was called Pink Flag). But I think the post-punk bands were more restrained in their desire to develop rock (it was considered shocking when Wire did a song that lasted 4 minutes!). Or maybe their motivation was to deconstruct rock, rather than develop itInterestingly, "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash has the line "the king told the boogie man, you've got to let that raga drop", with reference to their manager Bertie Rhodes, who dismissed most of the songs on their Sandanista album as being "ragas"...Therefore: Hippies, prog-rockers and raga-enthusiasts v.s popTart punk allstars: match abandoned due to Steve Temple being unable to field a team as hardcore as him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Therefore: Hippies' date=' prog-rockers and raga-enthusiasts v.s popTart punk allstars: match abandoned due to Steve Temple being unable to field a team as hardcore as him[/quote']popTart punk allstars are to be fined the price of a 7 inch single in 1977!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeola Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 smashing pumpkins. Overrated to fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluesxman Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 smashing pumpkins. Overrated to fuck.I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mac Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeola Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 I disagreethey're shite maccy! nae screaming mannie in em either...double shite!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mac Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 I dislike most of the pish you listen to, so we'll never agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladeola Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 I dislike most of the pish you listen to' date=' so we'll never agree [/quote']we might as well chat on msn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Mel Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 pumpkins rock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_chile Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Joy DivisionThe BeatlesSmashing PumpkinsNirvanaFoo FightersGreen DayRadioheadColdplayKeaneLed ZeppelinBob Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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