Lost Season 2 *contains spoilers*

[Dayeth]

STOP POSTING SPOILERS FOR FUTURE SHOWS.

I agree, shut the hell up.

[JaseyBoi]

He read a recent spoiler that described some of the scenes.

STOP POSTING SPOILERS FOR FUTURE SHOWS.

I know this is a spoiler thread but it's only because some people haven't seen season 2 yet.

It's really annoying for people to find out certain things before it happening so please don't.

please...

Camie

Na definately isn't.

Everyone's talking about it on the fuselage and it was on www.spoilerfix.com which is very trusting.

All information/spoilers i give are mentioned on spoilerfix also

So im allowed to post the website url like cammy did im just not aloud to mention whats in it???

Shut the hell up???????? Thats not very nice is it?? ?(

[Camie]

Nothing wrong with posting a url because it is the person's choice if they want go in it or not.

Where as putting the spoiler on the thread means people will come across it when they simply want to discuss season 2 episodes that have past.

[Dayeth]

Shut the hell up???????? Thats not very nice is it?? ?(

Sorry, harsh i know.

[Guest five years]

so yeah...i'm downloading 'reckoning' but it's half as big as the regular lost files, someone on tvtorrents.com mentioned it's just an update/catch up thing..anyone know?

[Benji]

Cool, I never knew the black smoke stuff blew the engine up at the start. Nice stuff Jaseeyboi.

And for those who are telling you not to post spoilers, ignore the jealous people who can't figure this stuff out for themselves.. keep em coming dude.

[Camie]

He is getting stuff from forums. Things people have told him. Not a case of figuiring out.

He mentioned that libby gave desmond the boat. That's because the script was leaked and it said that libby gave desmond the baot.

[Camie]

Bux...go to www.thefuselage.com

that is where ALL the theories, little tiny spots and screen caps are.

Also www.lost-forums.com

[Alexandra]

I didn't know about the boat thing, and didn't want to know

I thought the only spoilers would be in episodes gone past, so the people who haven't been downloading and are waiting to see season 2 on tv would come across things they didn't want to read.. Not those of us who are up to date with America!!

[Guest five years]

I thought the only spoilers would be in episodes gone past' date=' so the people who haven't been downloading and are waiting to see season 2 on tv would come across things they didn't want to read.. Not those of us who are up to date with America!![/quote']

totally!

i hate you all.

[Camie]

Maybe Jaseyboi wants us to start a "lost season 2 "contains spoilers but only up until the latest episode in america" thread.

[JaseyBoi]

lol na yer alright cammy...lets keep this thread to lost not flexing ones pexs

I have stated i will not post spoilers of future episodes...

[Alexander]

the best site for spoilers, web site guides (hansofoundation.org ect) + general chat is

www.4815162342.com

but i do warn you to search before posting topics as they will flam you like a n00b without blinking.

[Guest Craig C]

as they will flam you like a n00b without blinking.

Sounds familiar

And yes, I didn't start this thread (I know different user name) to discuss episodes that don't exist yet LOL. I must admit though, I'm a spoiler-whore.

[JaseyBoi]

For other uses, see Dharma (disambiguation).

Dharma (Sanskrit: धर्म) Dhamma [Pali] means Natural Law or Reality, and with respect to its significance for spirituality and religion might be considered the Way of the Higher Truths. Dharma forms the basis for philosophies, beliefs and practices originating in India. The oldest of these, widely known as Hinduism, is Sanatana Dharma or Eternal Dharma. Ayyavazhi, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism also retain the centrality of Dharma. In these traditions, beings that live in harmony with Dharma proceed more quickly towards Moksha, Dharma Yukam, Nirvana, or personal liberation. Dharma also refers to the teachings and doctrines of the various founders of the traditions, such as Gautama Buddha in Buddhism and Mahavira in Jainism. As the religious and moral doctrine of the rights and duties of each individual, Dharma can refer generally to religious duty, and also mean social order, right conduct, or simply virtue.

Contents

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* 1 Meanings and origins of the word Dharma

* 2 Dharma in Hinduism

o 2.1 Origin and development in Hinduism

o 2.2 Proto-dharma: rta in the Vedas

o 2.3 Developing conceptions

o 2.4 Dharma as a Purushartha

o 2.5 Kane's view

* 3 In Buddhism

o 3.1 Buddha's teachings

o 3.2 Qualities of Buddha Dharma

o 3.3 Dharmas in Buddhist phenomenology

o 3.4 Dharma as righteousness

* 4 In Jainism

o 4.1 The two Dharmas

* 5 Ayyavazhi dharma

o 5.1 Sociological conception

o 5.2 Spiritual conception

* 6 See also

* 7 References

* 8 External links

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Meanings and origins of the word Dharma

In the Rigveda, the word appears as an n-stem, dhrman-, with a range of meanings encompassing "something established or firm" (in the literal sense of prods or poles), figuratively "sustainer, supporter" (of deities), and in the abstract, similar to the semantics of Greek ethos, "fixed decree, statute, law",

The word is from a root common Indo-Iranian root dhar "to fasten, to support, to hold", continuing PIE *dher, in the IEW connected with Latin frēnum "rein, horse tack", Germanic words for "hidden, held back" (OHG tarni "latens"), and extended to dher-gh, with OCS drъǫ, drъati "to hold, possess". Etymological identity of dharma with Latin firmus (whence English firm) has been suggested, but remains uncertain.

From the Atharvaveda and in Classical Sanskrit, the stem is thematic, dhrma- (धर्म in the Devanagari script), and in Pāli, it takes the form dhamma. Monier-Williams attempts to gesture at the semantic field of the spiritual and religious meanings of the term with "virtue, morality, religion, religious merit". It being used in most or all philosophies and religions of Indian origin, the "dharmic faiths" including Hinduism (Sanatana Dharma), Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, it is difficult to provide a single concise definition for Dharma. The word has a long and varied history and straddles a complex set of meanings and interpretations. Dharma also is practiced in the Surat Shabda Yoga traditions.

Rene Guenon, father of the 20th century school of Perennial Philosophy, said:

It [dharma] is, so to speak, the essential nature of a being, comprising the sum of its particular qualities or characteristics, and determining, by virtue of the tendencies or dispositions it implies, the manner in which this being will conduct itself, either in a general way or in relation to each particular circumstance. The same idea may be applied, not only to a single being, but also to an organized collectivity, to a species, to all the beings included in a cosmic cycle or state of existence, or even to the whole order of the Universe; it then, at one level or another, signifies conformity with the essential nature of beings (from Guenon's "Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines")

David Frawley, an expert on Hindu philosophy and religion, comments on Dharma as follows:

A universal tradition has room for all faiths and all religious and spiritual practices regardless of the time or country of their origin. Yet it places religious and spiritual teachings in their appropriate place relative to the ultimate goal of Self-realization, to which secondary practices are subordinated. Sanatan Dharma also recognizes that the greater portion of human religious aspirations has always been unknown, undefined and outside of any institutionalized belief. Sanatan Dharma thereby gives reverence to individual spiritual experience over any formal religious doctrine. Wherever the Universal Truth is manifest; there is Sanatan Dharmawhether it is in a field of religion, art or science, or in the life of a person or community. Wherever the Universal Truth is not recognized, or is scaled down or limited to a particular group, book or person, even if done so in the name of God, there Sanatan Dharma ceases to function, whatever the activity is called.

According to the Natchintanai Scripture:

By the laws of Dharma that govern body and mind, you must fear sin and act righteously. Wise men by thinking and behaving in this way become worthy to gain bliss both here and hereafter.

Yama, the lord of death, is also known as Dharma, since he works within the laws of karma and morality, regulated by divine principles. More familiar is the embodiment of Dharma in Lord Rama, an avatar of Vishnu. The eldest Pandava, Yudhishthira was referred to as DharmaRaj (Most pious One) owing to his steadfastness to Truth & Dharma.

The teachings, doctrines, philosophies and practices associated with furthering Dharma are also referred to as such. Sometimes, specific qualifiers are used - viz. Buddha-Dharma and Jain-Dharma to distinguish them from Sanatana_Dharma.

For many Buddhists, the Dharma most often means the body of teachings expounded by the Buddha. The word is also used in Buddhist phenomenology as a term roughly equivalent to phenomenon, a basic unit of existence and/or experience.

In scripture translations dharma is often best left untranslated, as it has acquired a lively life of its own in English that is more expressive than any simplistic translation. Common translations and glosses include "right way of living," Divine Law, Path of Righteousness, order, faith, "natural harmony," rule, fundamental teachings, and duty. Dharma may be used to refer to rules of the operation of the mind or universe in a metaphysical system, or to rules of comportment in an ethical system.

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Dharma in Hinduism

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Within Indian philosophy "dharma" also means "property" and "dharmin" means "property-bearer". In a Sanskrit sentence like "zabdo 'nityaH" (Sanskrit transliterated according to the Kyoto-Harvard convention), "sound is impermanent", "sound" is the bearer of the property "impermanence". Likewise, in the sentence "iha ghataH", "here, there is a pot", "here" is the bearer of the property "pot-existence" - this just goes to show that the categories property and property-bearer are closer to those of a logical predicate and its subject-term, and not to a grammatical predicate and subject.

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Origin and development in Hinduism

A common manner of describing Hinduism among its adherents is as a way of life, as "Dharma." It defies dogma and thus seeks to instead align the human body, mind, and soul in harmony with nature.

Our very limitation is guided under and over a universal understanding, that of Dharma. The Atharva Veda, the last of the four books of the Vedas, utilizes symbolism to describe dharma's role. Thus we are bound by the laws of time, space and causation according to finite reality, which itself is a limitation imposed by the self-projection of the infinite Brahman as the cosmos. Dharma is the foundation of this causal existence, the one step below the infinite. Indeed, dharma is the projection of divine order from Brahman, and as such:

"Prithivim Dharmana Dhritam"

"This world is upheld by Dharma"

-- (Atharva Veda)

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Proto-dharma: rta in the Vedas

To assess a concept whose explication is bewildering in range, it is useful to trace its nascence and subsequent development in Vedic culture. In the Vedas, which span back to 2000 BCE (and much further in oral tradition), the first concept that is strikingly dharmic is that of rta.

Rta literally means the "course of things." At first, the early Hindus (or followers of the "Sanatan Dharma") were notably confused as to the inscrutable order of nature, how the heavenly bodies, the rushing winds and flowing waters, the consistent cycling of the seasons, were regulated. Thenceforth sprang rta, whose all-purpose role it was to signify this order, the path that was always followed. Through all the metamorphoses and permutations of nature, of life in general, there was one unchangeable fact: rta.

Soon it transcended its passive role as a mere signifier and took on a greater one, that of an active imposition of order. Not only the natural principles, but the gods and goddesses themselves, were obliged to abide by rta. Rta became the father, the law of justice and righteousness, unyielding but eminently fair. It grew, as Radhakrishnan states, from "physical" to "divine" in its purvey.

The world's seeming mess of altercating fortune, the caprice of the divinities, was now intelligible. Indeed, there was a single, unchanging harmony working 'behind the scenes.' A right path existed, ready to be taken by the righteous ones. Rta signifies the way life ought to be, shifting from physical to divine, from natural to moral order. Rta was morality, the equitable law of the universe. The conception of this all-transcending, supramental force that is, practically, the same concept as later understandings of dharma, is captured in this early Vedic prayer, preempting the liturgical strains of classical Hindu mantras involving dharma:

"O Indra, lead us on the path of Rta, on the right path over all evils."

--(Rig Veda Book X, Chapter CXXXIII, Verse 6)

Thus we see the logical progression of an early 'course of things' into an all-encompassing moral order, a path and way of righteousness, an all-encompassing harmony of the universe, in the Vedic idea of Rta. (1)

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Developing conceptions

An earlier and insightful demonstration of the continuity of thought from rta to dharma is a brief but "pregnant definition" ((3) of dharma given in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, a pre-Buddhist work dating back to between 1000 to 700 BCE. Founded upon the Hindu ideas of, as R. H. Hume's "intelligent monism," with Brahman the monad, the Upanishads saw dharma as the universal principle of law, order, harmony, all in all truth, that sprang first from Brahman. It acts as the regulatory moral principle of the universe. It is sat, truth, a major tenet of Hinduism. This hearkens back to the conception of the Rig Veda that "Ekam Sat," (Truth Is One), of the idea that Brahman is "Sacchidananda" (Truth-Consciousness-Bliss). Dharma has imbibed the highest principles of Truth, and as such is the central guiding principle in the Hindu conception of existence. Dharma is not just law, or harmony, it is pure Reality. In the Brihadaranyaka's own words:

" Verily, that which is Dharma is truth.

Therefore they say of a man who speaks truth, 'He speaks the Dharma,'

or of a man who speaks the Dharma, 'He speaks the Truth.'

Verily, both these things are the same."

(Brh. Upanishad, 1.4.14) (2)

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Dharma as a Purushartha

In moving through the four stages of life, viz. Brahmachaaryaashram, Grihasthaashram, Vanprasthaashram, Sanyaasaashram, a person also seeks to fulfill the four essentials (purushaartha) of Dharma, Artha (worldly gain}, Kama (sensual pleasures), and Moksha (liberation from reincarnation or rebirth). Moksha, although the ultimate goal, is emphasized more in the last two stages of life, while Artha and Kama are primary only during Grihasthaashram. Dharma, however is essential in all four stages.

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Kane's view

According to Dr.Pandurang Vaman Kane, the word "Dharma" acquired a sense of "the privileges, duties and obligations of a man, his standard of conduct as a member of the Aryan community, as a member of the caste and as a person in a particular state of life."

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In Buddhism

Main article: Dharma (Buddhism)

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In East Asia, the character for Dharma is 法, pronounced fǎ in Mandarin and hō in Japanese.

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Buddha's teachings

For practicing Buddhists, references to "dharma" or dhamma in the singular, particularly as "the" Dharma, is used to mean the teachings of the Buddha, and is sometimes referred to as the Buddha-Dharma. Dharma is the universal law of nature and to call it Buddha-Dhamma suggests that other kinds of Dharma may exist. But this is not so, there is only one Dharma. The term Buddha-Dharma merely refers to the fact that it was discovered by the Buddha, not created by him.

The status of the Dharma is regarded variably by different traditions. Some regard it as an ultimate and transcendent truth which is utterly beyond worldly things, somewhat like the Christian logos. Others, who regard the Buddha as simply an enlightened human being, see the Dharma as the 84,000 different teachings (the Kanjur) that the Buddha gave to various types of people based on their needs.

"Dharma" usually refers inclusively not just to the sayings of the Buddha but to the later traditions of interpretation and addition that the various schools of Buddhism have developed to help explain and expand upon the Buddha's teachings. For others still, they see the dharma as referring to the "truth" or ultimate reality or "the way things are" (Tib. Cho).

The Dharma is one of the Three Jewels of buddhism of which practitioners of Buddhism seek refuge in (what one relies on for his/her lasting happiness). The three jewels of Buddhism are the Buddha (mind's perfection of enlightenment), the Dharma (teachings and methods), and the Sangha (awakened beings who provide guidance and support).

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Qualities of Buddha Dharma

The Teaching of the Buddha also has six supreme qualities:

1. (Svakkhato) The Dhamma is not a speculative philosophy, but is the Universal Law found through enlightenment and is preached precisely. Therefore it is Excellent in the beginning (Sīla ... Moral principles), Excellent in the middle (Samadhi. . . Concentration) and Excellent in the end (Pań a . . . Wisdom),

2. (Samditthiko) The Dhamma can be tested by practice and therefore he who follows it will see the result by himself through his own experience.

3. (Akāliko) The Dhamma is able to bestow timeless and immediate results here and now, for which there is no need to wait until the future or next existence.

4. (Ehipassiko) The Dhamma welcomes all beings to put it to the test and come see for themselves.

5. (Opāneyiko) The Dhamma is capable of being entered upon and therefore it is worthy to be followed as a part of one's life.

6. (Paccattam veditabbo viūnhi) The Dhamma can be perfectly realized only by the noble disciples (Ariyas) who have matured and enlightened enough in supreme wisdom.

Knowing these attributes, Buddhists believe that they will attain the greatest peace and happiness through the practice of the Dhamma. Each person is therefore fully responsible for himself to put it in the real practice.

Here the Buddha is compared to an experienced and skilful doctor, and the Dhamma to proper medicine. However efficient the doctor or wonderful the medicine may be, the patients cannot be cured unless they take the medicine properly. So the practice of the Dhamma is the only way to attain the final deliverance of Nibbāna.

These teachings ranged from understanding karma (cause and effect) and developing good impressions in one's mind, to how to reach full enlightenment by recognizing the nature of mind.

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Dharmas in Buddhist phenomenology

Other uses include dharma, normally spelled with a small "d" (to differentiate), which refers to a phenomenon or constituent factor of human experience. This was gradually expanded into a classification of constituents of the entire material and mental world. Rejecting the substantial existence of permanent entities which are qualified by possibly changing qualities, Buddhist Abhidharma philosophy, which enumerated seventy-five dharmas, came to propound that these "constituent factors" are the only type of entity that truly exists. This notion is of particular importance for the analysis of human experience: Rather than assuming that mental states inhere in a cognizing subject, or a soul-substance, Buddhist philosophers largely propose that mental states alone exist as "momentary elements of consciousness", and that a subjective perceiver is assumed.

One of the central tenets of Buddhism, is the denial of a separate permanent "I", and is outlined in the three marks of existence. The three signs: 1. Dukkha - Suffering (Pali: Dukkha), 2. Anitya - Change/Impermanence (Pali: Anicca), 3. Anatman - No-I (Pali: Annatta). At the heart of Buddhism, is the denial of an "I" (and hence the delusion) as a separate self-existing entity.

Later, Buddhist philosophers like Nāgārjuna would question whether the dharmas (momentary elements of consciousness) truly have a separate existence of their own. (ie Do they exist apart from anything else?) Rejecting any inherent reality to the dharmas, he asked (rhetorically):

śūnyeṣu sarvadharmeṣu kim anantaṁ kimantavat

kim anantam antavac ca nānantaṁ nāntavacca kiṁ

kiṁ tad eva kim anyat kiṁ śāśvataṁ kim aśāśvataṁ

aśāśvataṁ śāśvataṁ ca kiṁ vā nobhayam apyataḥ 'tha

sarvopalambhpaśamaḥ prapacopaśamaḥ śivaḥ

na kva cit kasyacit kaścid dharmo buddhena deśitaḥ|

When all dharmas are empty, what is endless? What has an end?

What is endless and with an end? What is not endless and not with an end?

What is it? What is other? What is permanent? What is impermanent?

What is impermanent and permanent? What is neither?

Auspicious is the pacification of phenomenal metastasis, the pacification of all apprehending;

There is no dharma whatsoever taught by the Buddha to whomever, whenever, wherever. --Mūlamadhyamakakārikā, nirvṇānaparīkṣā, 25:22-24

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Dharma as righteousness

According to S. N. Goenka, teacher of Vipassana Meditation, the original meaning of dhamma is dhareti ti dhamma, or that which is contained. Dharma in the Buddhist scriptures has a variety of meanings, including phenomenon, and "nature" or "characteristic". Dharma also means mental contents, and is paired with citta, which means heart/mind. The pairing is paralleled with the pairing of kaya (body) and vedana (feelings or sensations, that which arise within the body but experienced through the mind), in major sutras such as the Mahasatipatthana sutra. Dharma is also used to refer to the teachings of the Buddha, not in the context of the words of one man, even an enlightened man, but as a reflection of natural law which was re-discovered by this man and shared with the world. A person who lives their life with an understanding of this natural law, is a dhammic person, which is often translated as righteous.

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In Jainism

Dharma is natural. Jain Acharya Samantabhadra writes: "Vatthu sahavo dhammo" the dharma is the nature of an object. It is the nature of the soul to be free, thus for the soul, the dharma ia paralaukika, beyond worldly. However the nature of the body is to seek self-preservation and be engaged in pleasures.

Thus there are two dharmas.

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The two Dharmas

Acharya Haribhadra (approx. 6-7th cent.) discusses dharma in Dharma-Bindu. he writes (Translation by Y. Malaiya):

soayam-anushhThaatRi-bhedat dvi-vidho

gRihastha-dharmo yati-dharmash-cha |

Because of the difference in practice, Dharma is of two kinds, for the householders and for the monks.

tatra gRihastha-dharmoapi dvi-vidhaH

saamanyato visheshhatash-cha |

Of the householder's dharma, there are two kind,"ordinary" and "special"

tatra saamnayato gRihastha-dharmaH kula-krama-agatam-anindyaM

vibhavady-apekshayaa nyaato.anushhThaanaM |

The ordinary gRihastha-dharma should be carried out according to tradition, such that it is not objectionable, according to ones abilities such as wealth, in accordance with nyaya (everyone treated fairly and according to laws).

Somadeva suri (10th c.) termss the "ordinary" and "special" dharmas laukika and the paralukika dharmas respectively:

dvau hi dharamau gRiahasthANam, laukikaH, paarlaukikaH |

lokaashrayo bhavedaadyah, parah syaad-aagama-AshrayaH ||

A householder follows both laukika and the paralukika dharmas at the same time.

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Ayyavazhi dharma

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Swamithoppepathi

Ayyavazhi Trinity

Salient Teachings

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The Akilattirattu Ammanai the scripture of Ayyavazhi teaches Dharma on two different perspective. One in sociology as charity and another under spirituality to attain the stage of Oneness, unified into Vaikundar. The sociological way is asked to be followed by every one to attain the spiritual state of Dharma.

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Sociological conception

The sociological definition to Dharma is generated as a concrete activity of charity or almsgiving. The principle of dharma was considered as the mission of "protecting or salvaging the lowly, the oppressed". The disparity among the people is to be reduced and eradicated by this act of charity. A quote in Vinchai reads, "To uplift the lowely is dharmam". In this way, people were specially exhorted to undertake charity on material goods, and do it without discriminating among the beneficiaries. It is interesting to note that the great Indian saint, Swami Vivekananda applied this principle of Ayyavazhi dharma concept in practice and this may lead support to some followers of Ayyavazhi who claim that he was influenced by the religion.

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Spiritual conception

Transposed to the spiritual plane, the concept of Dharma is propounded as 'principle of righteousness'. Ayyavazhi asserts that the prime motive of the avatar of Vaikundar was to establish Dharma in this world by destroying the evil force of Kaliyan. The definition of Kali in Ayyavazhi is focused as the materialized life. So spiritual understanding of Dharma in Ayyavazhi is the life in ultimate hormony with nature or unbounded by space and time. The narration of the concept 'Ekam' , 'the ultimate oneness' in Akilam right from the beginning points out it clearly. And after ending the Kali Yukam, Dharma Yukam, the 'world of righteousness', is said to be ruled over by Vaikundar as an ever lasting King. But on the way, it detached the caste identities by stating that it was not suited for the present Kali Yukam. A quote in Akilam reads,

" Cast away the head-shaking devils and the eighteen castes

in to the sea, mountain and fire."

[medichi]

TOO LONG AND BORING! (Above post, not Lost, its ace...)

[Camie]

Yup and probably will have no major impact on the show.

That's why i have totally gone off the BIG theories because it's time consuming and takes the fun out of the show.

[JaseyBoi]

It aint a theory and it aint to long and boring and cammie whats with all the negativity of late?

[Camie]

I've just gone of the whole big theory kinda thing with Lost as the show has started to drift away from mystery and has become more scientific.

EDIT:

www.lostlinks.net has the US AND the Canadian trailers up for Two For The Road.

Looks VERY VERY good.

NEW EDIT: http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/26/news/funny/lost_game.reut/

This will be a parallel storyline to lsot which won't be connected with any of the plots but if you are watching the episode on CH4 in UK look out for the commercials.

[JaseyBoi]

ok ok ill try hold off with major spoilers but only major ones lol

kk not a spolier as its about season1 episode1

Do you all remeber when the jet engine blew up on the island?...... did any of you happen to catch what it was that blew it up..

Sorry the image is sooo big but you will notice the "black smoke" is the reason it blows up

Now i have brought to your attention the "black smoke" above the jet engine now look to the right hand side of the engine as it explodes u will see another fleeting "black smoke" and if u look on the left u will notice the ball of black smoke..........3 seperate paerticles of black smoke but only one hits the engine.........

My point is unless things within lost are brought to your attention can u imagine how much we are all missing

[Camie]

Ahh that's a good find that.

I think there is 3 security systems or maybe 4 on the island.

Was anyone sad enough as me and phoned the number that was giving in the Hanso Foundation advert on channel 4 during lost?

It's pretty good actually how they had it up considering no one in uk that haven't seen the second series have no idea what the hanso foundation is.

[JaseyBoi]

Freephone 0800 666640

You mean that number NO i didnt phone it as i have no landline and my mobile woulda charged me for phoning a free number..

I also saw the Hanso advert and instantly thought its amazing how far television programs will go to give hints.

I also heard theres gonna be some kind of interactive lost program coming up so members of the public can play along and the like (sorry thats all the details i have.

And another rumour possible but i alsoi hear there is clues in MI3 regarding lost...Maybe bullshit maybe true but jj abrham does direct both.

[Rachie]

I'd already seen the black smoke/engine collision. Only because someone on thelivingroom has it as their sig.

And I'm with Camie, I don't want to see spoilers. This thread only says "contains spoilers" because the bulk of people who watch Lost on this board won't have seen past what's been aired in the UK, don't spoil it for the remainder of us who are actually up to date!

[Camie]

Freephone 0800 666640

You mean that number NO i didnt phone it as i have no landline and my mobile woulda charged me for phoning a free number..

I also saw the Hanso advert and instantly thought its amazing how far television programs will go to give hints.

I also heard theres gonna be some kind of interactive lost program coming up so members of the public can play along and the like (sorry thats all the details i have.

And another rumour possible but i alsoi hear there is clues in MI3 regarding lost...Maybe bullshit maybe true but jj abrham does direct both.

The hanso advert is part of the interactive game. It has nothing to do with the current storyline though. It just runs parallel so you don't have to phone it to find out who did what.

There is A reference in Mi3 regarding lost. It will be small and pointless and just a plan to get everyone to see Mi3.

[JaseyBoi]

rainbow we have established no more big spoilers i apologised i said id never do it again........im SORRY

Altho both people complaining about MY spolier both read the livingroom which was one of the sources of my spoiler.....