24 hour drinking laws

[Rob van Hitler]

think its a rubbish idea, its ok at the minute, people are saying that men drink loads before 11 then act like cunts coz they are so hammered, so making the laws loser and letting them drink all night will stop them getting drunk and being cunts???? no. they will just be tossers later on. what about people who work in offies and nightclubs. if you want to drink all night buy a crate before you go out.

rubbish idea

c/o bunney

[NARC]

Isn't it ironic that you share the grammar ability of your late namesake Adolf?

What the hell do you mean, because I haven't a clue.

[Guest tv tanned]

24 hour licensing laws do not mean that establishments will remain open for 24 hours.

It allows for the staggering of closing times, which prevents everyone from piling out of clubs at the same time, which leads to fights and other incidents.

It also removes the bizarre and anachronistic law which states that alcohol cannot be sold by a supermarket or off license after 10pm. Frankly, I don't see that as a problem.

However, if we want to reduce binge drinking, then a ban on ridiculous drinks promotions would be a good start. As would proper education of the young by their parents on how to drink sensibly.

[Noir]

the bit about buying alcohol after ten from a shop is the only useful thing really.

although a 24 hour club would be quite fun for the banter!

[Cloud]

One thing that seems to be overlooked - in Scotland, we practically do have 24 hour drinking. I'm not sure what time the bars down the harbour open (earliest I've seen is 7am, but there's gotta be earlier?) - but even though, it's entirely possible to start drinking at 7am here and finish drinking at 3am.

Staggering the closing times makes excellent sense, provided it's ran with an iron fist - ie, licences allocated according to area and time of application, not according to how big the company is that's applying for it.

I would definitely be in support of pubs closing from 12 till 2, then clubs closing from 2 till 5. Seeing as the first buses are at 5, it would mean not having to get a taxi home either - which is a great thing.

[Cloud]

However' date=' if we want to reduce binge drinking, then a ban on ridiculous drinks promotions would be a good start. As would proper education of the young by their parents on how to drink sensibly.[/quote']

I'm not keen on banning drinks promotions actually - simply because of the simple reason that if people drink at home and get fucked, it could actually be more dangerous in the long run.

Bar staff should be educated and not sell ridiculous drinks to people - for example, I was in the priory the other night, 2 for 1 drinks..so naturally a conversation started with me and my friends over who could down the most in one go (as it was so cheap) - so the 'bar' was set at a quadruple vodka and coke in a normal glass. And yes, they served us that - okay, the guy in question can drink vodka all night and has an iron stomach and wasn't affected by it, but surely the point is that the bar shouldn't have sold that drink in the first place?

Unfortunately, I doubt the bar staff will care less as long as they're paid minimum wage or just above it.

[Guest tv tanned]

I'm not keen on banning drinks promotions actually - simply because of the simple reason that if people drink at home and get fucked' date=' it could actually be more dangerous in the long run.[/quote']

Yes, which is why drinks promotions in supermarkets need to be regulated as well. At the end of the day, the fact that legislation may not entirely eradicate the problem, does not mean that there is no need to legislate.

Bar staff should be educated and not sell ridiculous drinks to people - for example, I was in the priory the other night, 2 for 1 drinks..so naturally a conversation started with me and my friends over who could down the most in one go (as it was so cheap) - so the 'bar' was set at a quadruple vodka and coke in a normal glass. And yes, they served us that - okay, the guy in question can drink vodka all night and has an iron stomach and wasn't affected by it, but surely the point is that the bar shouldn't have sold that drink in the first place?

I agree to an extent, but there's nothing stopping the man buying four neat vodkas and a tin of coke and then just turning it into a quadruple vodka. It's as much the individual's responsibility as it is the bar staff's.

Unfortunately, I doubt the bar staff will care less as long as they're paid minimum wage or just above it.

I don't think rate of pay makes people any more or less socially responsible. Unless there's a stated policy in place, with support from supervisors, then barstaff will probably (and very wisely) refrain from antagonising customers who have a bevvy in them.

[NARC]

All this stuff about education, here's my view. I never drank until I was 18, except for the odd glass of something at special occasions. I was never really educated by my parents about alcohol, they never really sat down with me and lectured me on the dangers of it for any length of time. There were the inevitable classes at school, but when you are a teenager or younger, you don't pay any attention. However, I never had any desire to join in in the underage activites that went on where I live, I simply knew as a decent person that there was a law against this. I cannot understand the desire to drink underage.

I think, to be honest, it all comes down to whether the child involved has some humility, human decency and independent thought. Every person I know from school that did so has predictably developed into, or was at the time, a complete fucking idiot.

[Marsh]

24 hour licensing laws do not mean that establishments will remain open for 24 hours.

It allows for the staggering of closing times' date=' which prevents everyone from piling out of clubs at the same time, which leads to fights and other incidents.

It also removes the bizarre and anachronistic law which states that alcohol cannot be sold by a supermarket or off license after 10pm. Frankly, I don't see that as a problem.

However, if we want to reduce binge drinking, then a ban on ridiculous drinks promotions would be a good start. As would proper education of the young by their parents on how to drink sensibly.[/quote']

Don't forget you were young once too, Mark.

Drinks promos were the only way to get hammered when you were "barely legal" - you simply never had the dough to buy booze at full price all night, especially if you had to budget for a taxi and / or entrance fee to a club.

It's different now you can afford to buy rounds in a pub all night or go out and get hammered at the weekend without having to worry (too much) about where the cash is coming from.

Everyone's desperate to go out and get pished when they turn 18 and drinks promos are tailor - made for them. Obviously all age groups indulge in drinks promos, but by the time you are out of that 18 - odd age bracket you can surely make your own decisions. Or know better.................

Hell, I still think "result" when I walk in a pub / club and there's a promo on!

[Johnny Mac]

How many times must we have this thread.

Drink = fun.

End of story.

[Rob van Hitler]

Im sorry I saw that on another thread and thought it would make good conversation

I am from blackpool and I see how you scottish people like to drink all the time on our promenade so just thought you would like 24 hour drinking laws

[Johnny Mac]

Don't take me seriously, i'm just messing around

Edinburgh have pretty much 24 hour drinking during the festival etc.... and i've never found it to be a problem.

People just need to be sensible.... which sadly doesn't always happen

[Cloud]

I think' date=' to be honest, it all comes down to whether the child involved has some humility, human decency and independent thought. Every person I know from school that did so has predictably developed into, or was at the time, a complete fucking idiot.[/quote']

Hmm, I recall many a stupid drunken night underage in Westhill - and we've hardly turned out to be complete fucking idiots, have we? Yeah, we were sensible about it - but come on, a drink underage is hardly a bad thing. I don't think the majority of people from our year have turned out to be complete fucking idiots, somehow.

Anyway, what's the difference between someone drinking at 17 and drinking at 18? fuck all. Wait outside the Belmont Bar one night for half an hour, you'll undoubtably see people about 40something acting like complete twats, so what do you suggest with those people?

Anyway, if you look at what happens on the continent - why is it they can handle their drink just fine? It's simple, alcohol just simply isn't viewed the same way across there.

I don't think rate of pay makes people any more or less socially responsible. Unless there's a stated policy in place' date=' with support from supervisors, then barstaff will probably (and very wisely) refrain from antagonising customers who have a bevvy in them.[/quote']

Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make - why would anyone be sensible about what they serve when you're being paid next to nothing and don't have the support of anyone to do so?

I think ultimately in all this, any attempt to stop promotions/etc will be met with fierce opposition by the breweries and the big pub/club chains - who, like it or dislike it, have a hell of a lot of say when it comes to this kind of thing.

[Sue Denim..]

I resent getting booted out of a bar at closing time when we are all having a great time getting pissed sat around a table only to end up in a nightclub where we are all standing, can't hear each other speak and it takes ages to get served.

If I can just sit in a pub until 3am on a weekend that will do me just fine.

[jonty84]

I simply knew as a decent person that there was a law against this. I cannot understand the desire to drink underage.

I think' date=' to be honest, it all comes down to whether the child involved has some humility, human decency and independent thought. Every person I know from school that did so has predictably developed into, or was at the time, a complete fucking idiot.[/quote']

So what you're saying is that any kid that drinks underage (and we're even talking a seventeen year old a few months away from their birthday here) isn't decent and will turn into a complete fucking idiot? Steady on pal. And as an afterthought, I can't understand the desire NOT to drink underage, and I'm 20.

I'd nearly go as far as to say that in today's society, any kid that doesn't want to drink until they're 18 because 'they think it's wrong' is, quite frankly, a bit weird. Come on, I'd love to see a poll on how many people admittedly drank underage and went out to bars and clubs. I've said it on other threads and I'll say it again; it's part of growing up. Most kids underage want to go out and drink, and it's always going to happen, and as long as you don't act the dick in bars and clubs, I've no problem with it.

Mike

[feeble!]

Yes, 17 is a shoddy age to be. Especially if you have a lot of friends who are 18

Grrrr. I'm old enough to have a child but apparently not a jack and coke, where's the sense in that?!

[2 minutes of hate]

24 hour drinking is a personal challange if anything.

let the games commence

[MattJimF]

Bar staff should be educated and not sell ridiculous drinks to people - for example' date=' I was in the priory the other night, 2 for 1 drinks..so naturally a conversation started with me and my friends over who could down the most in one go (as it was so cheap) - so the 'bar' was set at a quadruple vodka and coke in a normal glass. And yes, they served us that - okay, the guy in question can drink vodka all night and has an iron stomach and wasn't affected by it, but surely the point is that the bar shouldn't have sold that drink in the first place?

[/quote']

I thought that by law you weren't allowed to serve a customer anything larger than a double in the same glass. You can serve them two doubles, but not in the same glass, maybe i'm wrong.

And in response to the drinking from 7am til 3am, you can actually drink from 7am til 5am, if you head to a casino, if you know people staying in hotels with private bars you can quite easily drink round the clock.

[Cloud]

I thought that by law you weren't allowed to serve a customer anything larger than a double in the same glass. You can serve them two doubles' date=' but not in the same glass, maybe i'm wrong.[/quote']

Not a clue, I've never worked behind a bar - but as I said, would you respect the law if your supervisors only cared about making as much money as possible? I'm pretty sure the law comes down heavier on the establishment than the individual that served the drink, anyway.

[HeinzHines]

I thought that by law you weren't allowed to serve a customer anything larger than a double in the same glass.

From what i remember it is 4 shots to one drink is the max....i may be wrong

As for education...depends which angle of education you are coming from....a standpoint of alcohol is just plain 'bad' would probably make the situation worse....but maybe educating kids into that having a couple is not really that bad of a thing but dont let it get out of hand *show slides of dead drunk people* perhaps...

I never had a problem with alcohol until i was 18+.....used to be allowed at a pretty young age to have a few beers with my mates as long as i never got pissed/did something stupid and generally broke the trust between me and my parents it was fine.....and i didnt really ever get too pissed....

Then over 18 happened....got hammered alot as a student.....got hammered some more when i was working.....now have a cunting liver problem.....woop for alcohol.....

[ray@ladymercedes]

24 hour drinking will be kinda shit when the smoking ban starts, unless your a non-smoker. I hardly smoke at home, unless I'm drinking so I guess I won't be out much. I was also thinking about gigs. Does this ban also include bands going back stage for a quick puff?.

Fuck that. I'm reluctant to do so and I've been given the oppurtunity, but I'm seriously thinking about moving acroos the border. For no other reason than the fact that their smoking ban isn't as strict and there will be a small percentage of bars where you can have a smoke with your drink.

[Guest tv tanned]

24 hour drinking will be kinda shit when the smoking ban starts' date=' unless your a non-smoker. I hardly smoke at home, unless I'm drinking so I guess I won't be out much. I was also thinking about gigs. Does this ban also include bands going back stage for a quick puff?.

Fuck that. I'm reluctant to do so and I've been given the oppurtunity, but I'm seriously thinking about moving acroos the border. For no other reason than the fact that their smoking ban isn't as strict and there will be a small percentage of bars where you can have a smoke with your drink.[/quote']

If these are the major life decisions which drive you on from day to day then I can only say...

...see ya!

[Sue Denim..]

If these are the major life decisions which drive you on from day to day then I can only say...

...see ya!

What may seem trivial to you is important to others. I believe success is a measure of how happy you are in life. (Regardless of money etc)

I consider myself a successful man due to me having a happy life.

Drinking and smoking in a bar adds to that happiness.

So yes, take away my happiness at the cost of my health you fuckers. I'd rather be unhealthy and happy thanks. (I drink in a pub for christs sake, I'm not going there to be healthy.)

[dolf]

i wouldnt worry about the ban.speaking to a barmaid last week she explained many loop holes,like if a room has two open doors that are kept open it can be a smoking room, it might require a lot of sectioning off in pubs though.its not going to be completely non smoking everywhere.at least it better not be.

[ray@ladymercedes]

What may seem trivial to you is important to others. I believe success is a measure of how happy you are in life. (Regardless of money etc)

I consider myself a successful man due to me having a happy life.

Drinking and smoking in a bar adds to that happiness.

So yes' date=' take away my happiness at the cost of my health you fuckers. I'd rather be unhealthy and happy thanks. (I drink in a pub for christs sake, I'm not going there to be healthy.) [/quote']

I'll drink and smoke to that