meiklejohn Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Hey guys, although I like to think I know what I'm doing... I really don't. I have started getting some feedback when using my xotic ep booster, I've had it for about a year now and its only just started to cause a problem. I've got a lot of rough ideas of why it might be doing this but was looking for a more experienced outlook. Is it maybe because we've just turned up that little bit too much and my amp doesn't like it?Can my amp not hack it? Am I too close to my amp?Is my pedal board set up causing it? Is it that fact my pedals are too cheap and cheerful and need upgraded?Maybe the fact there's so many speakers all facing each other?I haven't a clue but I need to fix it!I play a Gibson les Paul through a Marshall 100 hdfx half stack... With maybe 9 pedals? Could post pictures of my board and amp if it would help?Any help appreciated and if you want to come out and help me fix it even better Haha. There's a few beers in it for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Do you have a noise reduction pedal? (NS-2, ISP Decimator, MXR Smartgate etc). Noise can caused by cables, pedals, loose connections, power supplies etc. If it's plugged in to your signal chain it can cause noise. I only use 5-6 pedals at the moment and I use my ISP decimator all the time, quiet sound going into your amp means a quiter one coming out, especially if you are going for a high gain tone.If you are boosting volume by a considerable amount in the chain that could be the cause. By far and away the worst pedal on my board is a tubescreamer with the volume dimed, luckily that's an easy fix. If the noise gate doesn't help I would start looking at cables for loose/faulty ones, if you use batteries in your pedals a battery that is almost empty will make a pedal sound like a fuzzy dying mess. Those are the simple, easy fixes I can think of.If it's your amp that is the issue, I have no idea. That's a solid state amp isn't it? No tube issues there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Hi, that's quite a few pedals in the signal chain. I'd by using the bog standard logical approach - i.e. adding (or removing) pedals one-by-one until you find the "noisy" one.I'm not the most experienced guitarist on here by a long chalk, but I'd bet good odds I've had more kit than most, so here's some tips...1. Get a good power supply. The PSU can be a major source of noise and if a pedal is struggling to get it's share of the leccy, that only adds to the pain. I have a T.Rex Chameleon and it's the dugs baws.2. Buy good (top) quality guitar and patch leads, they really DO make a difference. I'd happily demo my Sommer guitar lead against an off-the-shelf one, the improvement is quite dramatic.3. Ensure your signal chain is in the right order - there's actually NO "industry standard" right order, but pedals react differently in various positions. Play around with the order, see what works both for noise and tone.4. Everything doesn't need to be dialed up to the max, maaaaaan. Better to have slightly less distortion/effect and no noise.5. Noise Gates = Tone Suckers. Using an NS2 IMHO is like treating dandruff by decapitation, like Sellotape on a live wire. Locate and fix the problem, rather than mask it, where at all possible6. Some pedals are just fucking noisy. The worst offenders I've had are Tubescreamer (as Keeno pointed out), Fulltone OCD, Big Muff, Line 6 Tonecore (if you DON'T have the right PSU) and any number of Chinese clones.Hop this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Have you tried any other noise gates than the NS2? That's widely renowned for sucking the most tone of any of the noisegates. The ISP hardly makes any difference, sure it totally kills your sustain if you have it set very high on clean/low gain music, but I don't really find it necessary until you get to metal levels of gain. I also know plenty of people who also swear by the MXR smartgate at the end of their pedal board. Even with a poor youtube vid you can hear the NS2 colours the tone more than the others. Power supplies and cables is an obvious one, but they are bloody expensive. You are looking at £200+ to rejig your rig with top quality stuff. If you have funny pedals like me, I am not even sure many of them fit the requirements for my pedals. Just make sure to stay away from lots of power hungry 18V and 12V pedals! However even going from cheapo ebay 50p cables to something like the planet waves cables makes a difference as I found when overhauling cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiklejohn Posted December 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I do have cheap patch leads? But then wouldn't that make every pedal feedback? Should my boost be at the very end of the chain? I assumed it would as if it was at the start wouldn't it just boost the pedals before it? Its not even like your normal feedback you'd hear from a Mic, its a deep grumbling howl that it gives off almost like the speakers can't hack it. I plugged my rig into the other guitarists amp on the other side of the room and it was perfect? Which made me think it might be my amp or the fact I'm standing right infront of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colb Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Are your amps and pedals plugged into the same power strip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flights Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Just embrace the noise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 how are you using you ampdo you use each channel for individual gain structures, or do you use a distortion pedal and ride your clean channel all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 I do have cheap patch leads? But then wouldn't that make every pedal feedback? Should my boost be at the very end of the chain? I assumed it would as if it was at the start wouldn't it just boost the pedals before it? Its not even like your normal feedback you'd hear from a Mic, its a deep grumbling howl that it gives off almost like the speakers can't hack it. I plugged my rig into the other guitarists amp on the other side of the room and it was perfect? Which made me think it might be my amp or the fact I'm standing right infront of it?Have you tried standing further away from your amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 5. Noise Gates = Tone Suckers. Using an NS2 IMHO is like treating dandruff by decapitation' date=' like Sellotape on a live wire. Locate and fix the problem, rather than mask it, where at all possible[/quote']UTTER SHITE. Paul, I back you up as much as possible but that is massive bollocks.You need to use a pedal that actually satisfies this requirement before laying down that quote it would seem!A good gate does exactly that! It doesn't suck tone, it isolates the unwanted noise and gives what is desired! A very easily regulated unit, but only in the right hands/configuration! I've had 6 of these pedals and have used them al as desired - none without issue and none outwith requirement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 I had an NS2 and used it for years. Never noticed any change or colouring in the tone. When strumming the guitar and switching the NS2 on and off, it didn't make the tiniest different. The only difference it made was when the guitar was muted. Less hum from the pickups, and it picked up less of that scraping sound when your fingers slide up and down the strings between frets. Maybe it killed a tiny bit of sustain, the type when the tone blends into natural feedback, though when using mega high gain, you still got some feedback like that, just not the squeaky, uncontrollable feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiklejohn Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Don't suppose anyone could hook me up with a shot of an ns2 to test the theory? Save me forking out 100 quid if it might not work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Do you rehearse at Captain Tom's by any chance? I live reasonably nearby to there so I can give you a shot of the ISP if you want.Or I have a Behringer NS2 clone you can have for £15 if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiklejohn Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Afraid I live closer to hatton, what bearing model is it? I'll look it up. Is it any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiklejohn Posted December 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Sorry I'm half typing half watching big bang theory, meant to say I live closer to peterhead. I jam in hatton but I can drive so its not an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 Afraid I live closer to hatton, what bearing model is it? I'll look it up. Is it any good?NR100 . Well it is Behringer.... it's cheap, in a plastic case and does a job as a noise gate. It's different to the ISP. The ISP at low levels purely removes hiss from pedals and at high levels reduces the noise from everything. I use it at the end of my pedals before amp and it totally kills all hum from the pedals. The NR seems to be more of a gate. It does reduce the volume of the hum but doesn't totally eliminate it if you don't mute the strings with your left hand. whereas the ISP does. The NR100 also reduces the volume when you are playing, it's not nearly as sophisticated and selective as the ISP. It does have a send/return like an NS2 so in theory you can use it at the end of your pedal board and also in the FX loop but I have never used it like that.http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/Behringer-NR100-Noise-Reducer-Pedal/6LF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 UTTER SHITE. Paul, I back you up as much as possible but that is massive bollocks.Let me fix that for you James..."Paul, I back you up, NS2's are UTTER SHITE and you have massive bollocks"Sorted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiklejohn Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Hmm id rather spend the money and get something good than cheap and cheerful. I need to eliminate it not just dull it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flights Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 I use alot of pedals in my chain and a few them aren't exactly top end. In fact the worst pedal for cause noise was my boutique custom fuzz pedal that I had to get rid of in the end. I echo Colb's suggestion about making sure you have your amp and whatever's powering your pedals in the same power strip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 It's probably not turned up loud enough, i'd suggest cracking that bad boy up to 11 and just ride the noise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Its not even like your normal feedback you'd hear from a Mic, its a deep grumbling howl that it gives off almost like the speakers can't hack it. do you have a spring reverb unit in you amp? I've had one fail and it would cause feedback that starts as a really low frequency rumble that gets louder and louder before turning into a more normal weeeeeeeeeee'ing feedback sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyScaryMark Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 You need to troubleshoot the problem by going through each part of your setup individually until you can isolate the cause of the problem.You mention the word 'feedback'? Is it possible that your EP booster has been damaged and is now shorting internally, creating a feedback loop? Have you tried with the EP Booster by itself without other pedals? Also, have you tried it running off a battery rather than an external power supply?So, you have established this feedback only occurs when the EP booster is plugged in? Does everything sound fine when the EP booster is plugged in but bypassed? What about other pedals, do you get feedback when you switch them on?I'd suggest looking into how it is set up and powered before buying more pedals, not that a noise gate isn't worth considering as an option at your disposal, but you should try and get everything as fault-free as possible before adding anything else. I have a number of high gain pedals (distortions, fuzz and overdrives) and don't have issues with uncontrollable feedback, noise, humming or hissing - even with single coil pickups or high gain humbuckers. I've not been tempted to get a noise gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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