EnkaiScreamer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 im looking to buy a decent tube amp for metal/hard rock for around 300. Im not going to "save up and get a better one" blah blah, i need a tube amp and ill have a budget of 300 in the next month or so any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyScaryMark Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 There are quite a few decent small tube amps in that price range but for hard rock/metal you will need dirt pedals/boosts or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 There are quite a few decent small tube amps in that price range but for hard rock/metal you will need dirt pedals/boosts or whatever.i mean, for example the peavey valveking (i dont want this) but its a perfect example, lower in price range, but apparently they are built to last, yada yada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 You could probably get a really good Marshall second hand if you save up a measly 100 quid more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeno Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Just looking for an amp or would a combo do? Peavey 6505+ 112's are about 450 brand new so could probably be found for 300ish second hand I would imagine if you can find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 i mean, for example the peavey valveking (i dont want this) but its a perfect example, lower in price range, but apparently they are built to last, yada yadaIt's not a perfect example because they are guff. It's cheap for a reason. DSL50's go for around 300 sometimes, if you're lucky.Really not sure why you are so against saving up for something that will actually suit your needs than just buying the cheapest valve amp possible for the sake of having one. It's mental. You'll realise it's guff and sell it on for less than you bought it, and then you'll be back to square one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Really not sure why you are so against saving up for something that will actually suit your needs than just buying the cheapest valve amp possible for the sake of having one. It's mental. You'll realise it's guff and sell it on for less than you bought it, and then you'll be back to square one.because i cant save up anymore money, the highest amount im looking at is 400, at a push, ive heard that you can get a decent DSL for around 300+ which is quite appealing. And i like the sound of the Peavey 6505 112, but im not sure where to look for that, my other guitarist has the 6505 head, and that was about 1050, i wont be using the speaker if i get a combo since i already have a 4x12, but will the tone be affected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeasmile Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Just get an orange tiny terror head and blast some pedals through it? no?I got a marshall tsl602 combo on the mental cheap a while ago but that was rare to get it so low. I also only paid 350 for my hot rod deluxe by fender but given your description of what you need I'm presuming that this isn't what you're after.But if you decide to go down this route fender tube amps are great.If not save up and buy a Bogner, just saying.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 im not really keen on the combo aspect though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Why can't you save up a little bit more and buy what you want? For example, you'd pick up a perfectly good Marshall head second hand for only a wee bit more. When it comes to your gear, if you buy cheap you will always end up buying twice, honestly.I bought a second hand Engl head 7 years ago or so, and although it was dear, I've never had to upgrade. I picked up a JCM900 head a few years later as a touring backup and it wasn't much over 350, but the only thing that would make me change my setup now is if I decided I wanted to downsize to a combo.Save up for the right amp and avoid interminable internet threads about swapping, changing, modding or hunting for alternative gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I have a DSL50 that's never really worked for me. We could possibly do a deal on that if you'd be interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
givemeasmile Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Why can't you save up a little bit more and buy what you want? For example, you'd pick up a perfectly good Marshall head second hand for only a wee bit more. When it comes to your gear, if you buy cheap you will always end up buying twice, honestly.I bought a second hand Engl head 7 years ago or so, and although it was dear, I've never had to upgrade. I picked up a JCM900 head a few years later as a touring backup and it wasn't much over 350, but the only thing that would make me change my setup now is if I decided I wanted to downsize to a combo.Save up for the right amp and avoid interminable internet threads about swapping, changing, modding or hunting for alternative gear.Your Engl is the tits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 i wont be using the speaker if i get a combo since i already have a 4x12, but will the tone be affected?Is it a good 4x12? If it isn't, you should probably save up for a good 4x12 too. Will affect the tone as much as the amplifier will. The speakers the tone comes out of, and what they are housed in is equally as important as the amplifier. A shit cab will make a good amp also sound shit.im not really keen on the combo aspect thoughWhy? Easier to transport than a 4x12. Can connect it up to a cab at gigs if a backline is already provided. Will probably be mic'd up anyway. Best of both worlds. a 2x12 is more than enough to play any venue in Aberdeen, unless you're planning on selling out the AECC, then you might need a couple more cones...Not really sure why you ask for advice. You are incredibly stubborn and just ignore everyone's advice anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest E.C Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Radio Lucifer (i think) once used a 10w practise amp mic'd up at Drummonds. That was cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 I'm blown away by the idea that you can't save up more than a determined amount of money. Open an ISA or something, and don't touch it.Besides, it's not like a valve amp is like a TV or something. Stuff will inevitably fuck up with it. If you don't want to spend the money now you're going to spend it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runcie Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 You've clearly been lucky in the TV department my friend!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 Bar 1 hour a day of Gilmore Girls, half an hour of the Simpsons, I'm just too busy racking up the mileage on my sweet second hand valve amplifier.Do people even get TVs repaired these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeid Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I find it funny that people are willing to spend loads of money on guitars/pedals/shit they don't need, but when it comes to an amp.. the part that probably has the most defining impact on their sound, they won't spend a lot of money on it.Good guitar into shit amp still sounds shit.Shit guitar into a good amp will still sound halfway decent.Save up the cash and don't be a faggot. I got my 6505 head for 560 second hand. That's almost double your budget, but it's a USA made tube amp that's reliable and loud as fuck. Also has all the gain anyone could ever need. A good 4x12 will also make a difference. If you've got a Behringer cab or something equally shit, don't expect epic results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 Laney GH100L, you'll get a second hand one for about 300. Great amps with great tone but a small price as most folks think all laneys are like the ones in Captain Toms. Don't get the matching laney cab though, they arn't so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairyScaryMark Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 I think a lot of people might disagree with my advice but here it is....Think about what you actually need for the near to distant future. You probably in reality don't need a 4x12" and could get more for your money with a combo i.e Laney VC15, Fender Super Champ: or a small head i.e Blackheart Little Giant, Vox Night Train or Orange Tiny Terror. Are you happy to buy different amps for different styles? Based on what I have read, I'd suggest you are probably after one amp to cover your requirements at this stage. Therefore, I suggest something with a level of flexibility i.e a good clean sound.Spend a bit of time trying things out. First of all, find something with a clean sound that you are (completely) happy to use. Dirty guitar sounds can be altered with boosts and additional dirt pedals. A lot of people on here have a bit of an aversion to using pedals for hard rock/metal sounds but I personally think it can be a good solution and a lot of pro players do it, including some that have guitar tones that people try to recreate.Once you've found something with a good basic clean sound that you are happy with, then consider the other features such as dirt channels, reverb, channel switching, effects loops etc. None of these things are 100% necessary but may make your life easier.Also, remember every amp has a certain 'feel' to it. This might sound strange as you aren't actually touching it to play it, but the way it reacts to your playing will vary between different amps to some extent. This is why I advise trying the amp out in advance. If you really can't try it out then I would advise sticking to something ultra-standard with a good reputation and will probably be easy to sell on if it doesn't fit your needs. I've found the selection of amps at Guitar Guitar in Edinburgh and Glasgow to be particularly good.I think your budget is workable but will require a level of compromise. I would personally favour compromise on the features and make the clean sound the greatest priority as you can always add reverb and dirt pedals later. With an amp in this price range, I'd guess you were thinking of something that suits your general needs. If you get into a band that plays enough gigs to justify getting something just for that style at the later date, then you should consider getting another amp then.If you try something out and find something slightly beyond your price range that you really like, then you probably should consider stretching your budget at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 ill clear some things up, i ALREADY HAVE a 4x12 cabinet, which is fine, currently i have a 75 watt line 6 head,which , as everyone is aware, is shit. ChrisB has offered me a nice DSL 50 with modded E34L tubes, thank you all for your *kind* advice, but i think Chris might have just answered this post with something more than relevant.Thanks to those of you who were helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You could probably get a really good Marshall second hand if you save up a measly 100 quid more.It's not a perfect example because they are guff. It's cheap for a reason. DSL50's go for around 300 sometimes, if you're lucky.Really not sure why you are so against saving up for something that will actually suit your needs than just buying the cheapest valve amp possible for the sake of having one. It's mental. You'll realise it's guff and sell it on for less than you bought it, and then you'll be back to square one.Why can't you save up a little bit more and buy what you want? For example, you'd pick up a perfectly good Marshall head second hand for only a wee bit more. When it comes to your gear, if you buy cheap you will always end up buying twice, honestly.I bought a second hand Engl head 7 years ago or so, and although it was dear, I've never had to upgrade. I picked up a JCM900 head a few years later as a touring backup and it wasn't much over 350, but the only thing that would make me change my setup now is if I decided I wanted to downsize to a combo.Save up for the right amp and avoid interminable internet threads about swapping, changing, modding or hunting for alternative gear.ill clear some things up, i ALREADY HAVE a 4x12 cabinet, which is fine, currently i have a 75 watt line 6 head,which , as everyone is aware, is shit. ChrisB has offered me a nice DSL 50 with modded E34L tubes, thank you all for your *kind* advice, but i think Chris might have just answered this post with something more than relevant.Thanks to those of you who were helpfulYou're an insufferable idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 You're an insufferable idiot.and why is that? they mentioned marshalls countless times, your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkaline Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 and why is that? they mentioned marshalls countless times, your point?The point being they were more than relevant to your end decision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnkaiScreamer Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 The point being they were more than relevant to your end decision...aaand.....?if anything, its kudos to me for taking their suggestions...nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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