Sexism, etc.

[Guest idol_wild]

Holy shit. It's Women's Day and Pancake Day. I'm trying to think of an appropriate way to spend the day.

Drinking pancake mix out of the carton.

[FatHand]

Well, according to my essay question, in the last decade it's been suggested that's there's been an increase in male objectification by means of their representation in visual media. This question was last updated in 2007, though, and who knows when it was actually written.

I don't know whether it's an outcome of the representation of males in visual media or if this has always been the case for the type of job I was doing but until not long ago I played my sax in a bar and nightclub and I often felt slightly "objectified" by the female clientelle. It sounds great having girls come up to you all the time getting steadily more forward as they got more drunk, but I tell you, if a guy was acting like that to a girl playing sax they'd get booted out of the establishment pretty swiftly. Although it was quite fun getting the attention for a couple of months, it quickly got annoying when you weren't in the mood for it and just had to act it out and was definitely off-putting when trying to play. It was also awkward when boyfiends or males trying to get in about were present, very fine line to tred!

I probably would have had no complaints about this when I was 18.

Part of what I was expected to do was encourage people to go from the bar to the club so I just had to put up with it or stop doing the job. I couldn't really just push them away or tell them where to go as I was the entertainment and supposed to encourage them to stay. I'm not sure if that has any relevance to your discussion but I had never experienced that kind of reaction from playing live music before until performing for the nightclub and trendy bar demographic.

[ca_gere]

I don't know whether it's an outcome of the representation of males in visual media or if this has always been the case for the type of job I was doing but until not long ago I played my sax in a bar and nightclub and I often felt slightly "objectified" by the female clientelle. It sounds great having girls come up to you all the time getting steadily more forward as they got more drunk, but I tell you, if a guy was acting like that to a girl playing sax they'd get booted out of the establishment pretty swiftly. Although it was quite fun getting the attention for a couple of months, it quickly got annoying when you weren't in the mood for it and just had to act it out and was definitely off-putting when trying to play. It was also awkward when boyfiends or males trying to get in about were present, very fine line to tred!

I probably would have had no complaints about this when I was 18.

Part of what I was expected to do was encourage people to go from the bar to the club so I just had to put up with it or stop doing the job. I couldn't really just push them away or tell them where to go as I was the entertainment and supposed to encourage them to stay. I'm not sure if that has any relevance to your discussion but I had never experienced that kind of reaction from playing live music before until performing for the nightclub and trendy bar demographic.

Good post. Idolwild touched on this before (story about not bowing to the snatch in a kitty bar I believe). Some girls, generally attractive ones, can't wrap their heads around the fact that a bloke might not appreciate this kind of behaviour. I blame loaded and zoe ball. The ladette culture still persists and its annoying.

I just had an interesting thought. I don't think I've been with a girl who I perceive as being more intelligent than me. And I don't think I would in the future. I've been with girls who have much better jobs than I do and earn more etc and I'm fine with that but intelligence is something I prefer to have more of. I'm not saying I go for simpletons obviously, but I'd be uncomfortable with someone who could wipe the floor with me in a debate or something. Is that bad or normal?

[Adam Easy Wishes]

I just had an interesting thought. I don't think I've been with a girl who I perceive as being more intelligent than me. And I don't think I would in the future. I've been with girls who have much better jobs than I do and earn more etc and I'm fine with that but intelligence is something I prefer to have more of. I'm not saying I go for simpletons obviously, but I'd be uncomfortable with someone who could wipe the floor with me in a debate or something. Is that bad or normal?

It's normal if I am normal because I do/prefer/like this too.

[Christy]

My wifeburd is as intelligent as me, at least. It's bloody great; we can talk and stuff. I've gone out with wimmin before who were not very smart and, frankly, the appeal wears off.

Back to one of the original points about asexuals masturbating: masturbation can be a physical impulse and not a sexual one. From a guy's POV, sometimes it just pops up, so to speak, and needs attended to. While most people cannot seem to get their head around it, the asexual male is not thinking about women, men, nor sexual imagery while he is knocking one out; rather, he is sorting out his body's needs. This can be confusing, because people associate masturbation/climaxing with pornogrophy or simply with having sexual thoughts. The asexual fella does not. He simply wanks til he spaffs, sans fantasisation.

It's true because I read it on teh internetz

[Guest idol_wild]

Back to one of the original points about asexuals masturbating: masturbation can be a physical impulse and not a sexual one. From a guy's POV, sometimes it just pops up, so to speak, and needs attended to. While most people cannot seem to get their head around it, the asexual male is not thinking about women, men, nor sexual imagery while he is knocking one out; rather, he is sorting out his body's needs. This can be confusing, because people associate masturbation/climaxing with pornogrophy or simply with having sexual thoughts. The asexual fella does not. He simply wanks til he spaffs, sans fantasisation.

It's true because I read it on teh internetz

Good post - and also: How many of us males have struggled to get to sleep late at night (when sleeping alone), only to punch one off and fall asleep within five minutes of release?

Male? Struggling to get to sleep at night? HAVE A WANK.

[Skubbs]

My wifeburd is as intelligent as me, at least. It's bloody great; we can talk and stuff. I've gone out with wimmin before who were not very smart and, frankly, the appeal wears off.

Back to one of the original points about asexuals masturbating: masturbation can be a physical impulse and not a sexual one. From a guy's POV, sometimes it just pops up, so to speak, and needs attended to. While most people cannot seem to get their head around it, the asexual male is not thinking about women, men, nor sexual imagery while he is knocking one out; rather, he is sorting out his body's needs. This can be confusing, because people associate masturbation/climaxing with pornogrophy or simply with having sexual thoughts. The asexual fella does not. He simply wanks til he spaffs, sans fantasisation.

It's true because I read it on teh internetz

Thanks, I understand a bit more now. It is confusing, just because I thought all asexual people didn't have sexual urges. The programme I saw was years ago and my memory has faded, so my understanding of it will no doubt be flawed.

[Bigsby]

If you don't have a wank it will of course eventually fin its own way out while you are sleeping.

So come on then Sir Cliff, which is it? One off the wrist or sticky bedsheets?

[Guest idol_wild]

If you don't have a wank it will of course eventually fin its own way out while you are sleeping.

So come on then Sir Cliff, which is it? One off the wrist or sticky bedsheets?

No way does Cliff Richards have a penis.

[ca_gere]

he is a penis.

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No way does Cliff Richards have a penis.

Tell that to his ex-vicar "room mate".

[Guest idol_wild]

he is a penis.

I'd probably puke if my penis looked like Cliff Richard.

Then I'd punch my dad.

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I'd probably puke if my penis looked like Cliff Richard.

Then I'd punch my dad.

The perfect soundtrack

[Guest idol_wild]

I'd also cry a little. Though not out of my third eye.

[Soda Jerk]

Going back to the Man-Flu thing from pages ago... It was just today that the new temp at work was ranting about men and their "man-flu". It descended into how men don't understand what it's like to be hard done by, because they don't have to bare children. My dad losing his job a few years ago, and verging on the brink of losing his home doesn't qualify as "hard done by" because he doesn't have a fanny... Then it somehow spiralled into how women have to date much older men, because males the same age as women are "always stupid" in comparison. I wouldn't mind so much if this was any kind of trusted and test wisdom, but this gobby little Wendy is only just 18. She still had the gall to brand "pretty much all men" as "sexist pigs" though.

I wish 'irony' was a fist, and it punched people in the face.

[Guest idol_wild]

Going back to the Man-Flu thing from pages ago... It was just today that the new temp at work was ranting about men and their "man-flu". It descended into how men don't understand what it's like to be hard done by, because they don't have to bare children. My dad losing his job a few years ago, and verging on the brink of losing his home doesn't qualify as "hard done by" because he doesn't have a fanny... Then it somehow spiralled into how women have to date much older men, because males the same age as women are "always stupid" in comparison. I wouldn't mind so much if this was any kind of trusted and test wisdom, but this gobby little Wendy is only just 18. She still had the gall to brand "pretty much all men" as "sexist pigs" though.

I wish 'irony' was a fist, and it punched people in the face.

Are these your council colleagues? Good to see the council has a solid HR policy, recruiting bright and open-minded individuals.

[Skubbs]

Tell her to shut the fuck up during PMT week... fucking idiot.

[Le Stu]

Falcon punch her, then ask her how she'd like dem nuts on the outside instead.

[KarmaTsunami]

Jesus christ, she sounds like the kind of girl who learns everything she needs to know about men from Loose Women.

I fucking hate the 'men don't know pain because they can't have kids' bullshit argument. Yeah, I'm pretty sure childbirth is fucking painful but at the end of it you have a kid, that's pretty special and hardly being 'hard done by' so in my mind using it as a counter to men in genuine hardship is just bullshit and it really fucks me off.

[Bigsby]

Tell that to his ex-vicar "room mate".

Or Una Stubbs. Or Jet Harris' wife, both of whom he shagged.

[FatHand]

I'd like to add the point that a woman who hasn't given birth to a child has no idea what it feel like either so remains in pretty much in the same bracket as all men. Having said that a woman who hasn't had a child cannot claim pain rights over a guy who has definitely been kicked in the balls. If the guy has never been kicked in the balls then he and the woman are exactly the same level and are not entitled to get involved in the arguement.

[ca_gere]

I hate girls who lezz up for the lads. Getting off with your mate in a nightclub might titilate a select bunch of meatheads but most folk just think you're cheap tarts who crave attention. Don't get me wrong, girl on girl is braw but the intention has to be right.

[Teabags]

I like to spurt my sexism all over the girls boobs and bum.

ROFLCOPT3R

[Oedo 808]

I hate girls who lezz up for the lads. Getting off with your mate in a nightclub might titilate a select bunch of meatheads but most folk just think you're cheap tarts who crave attention. Don't get me wrong, girl on girl is braw but the intention has to be right.

That's more of a young girl thing though, is it not? I think I held pretty much the same opinion as you once but then I realised that becoming irritated is just as bad as being titillated. Either way you're giving them what they want; attention for something that's totally inconsequential.

...or you could just suggest that they get a room - and if they don't have one you will happily provide it for them.

Boom boom. I think I'll save that one for later.

[Elizabeth]

Wow, 8 pages. I'm impressed, and only around a page of Cliff Richard-cock comparisons. I salute you all. Can anybody suggest any films that deal with masculinity/objectification of males/anything you've studied before that will make you sound smart as shit, that has come out/been made in the last ten years? I've got; He's Just not that into you, Brokeback Mountain, John Tucker Must Die and that on the 'to watch and criticise heavily' list (with the exception of Brokeback, maybe? I don't know what I'll do, tbh), but I wanted something with a bit more substance.