ZeromiserY Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 It's jimmy carr so it doesn't hold any weight. Normally i can't stand him but that was pretty funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaTsunami Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 He was conscripted into Hitler Youth when he was 14 apparently. So not wide of the mark, but not exactly a Nazi either. Doesn't mean he isn't a complete and utter arsehole about a lot of things though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Stu Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Would people be more likely to believe in God if we found out it/he wasn't sentient?Imagine God as some kind of Universe creating machine, kind of like a photocopier spewing out universes because that's all it can do. Create Universe, Uncreate Universe, Create Universe, Uncreate Universe. If only science could prove God was a non-sentient creation machine I think people would have no need to 'worship' it/him..... after all, you don't worship your photocopier.In my experience, photocopiers move in mysterious ways, require a certified cleric to invoke them, unconditional faith to operate, and most certainly inspire fear in the common man so it works on all levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Doesn't mean he isn't a complete and utter arsehole about a lot of things though.Well said.His draconian views regarding condoms beggars belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaki Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Well said.His draconian views regarding condoms beggars belief.Everything else about the Pope's purpose and views is pretty easy to comprehend though right? P.S. Draco never said anything about rubber johnnies, it was Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 His draconian views regarding condoms beggars belief.Condoms are pretty rubbish, though.On a serious note, and not defending his stance because it's awful, but is that not the position taken by the religion rather than him as a person? I understand that he's best placed to alter it, but I imagine even if he did want to change things he'd be under an intense amount of pressure from everywhere and everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroopy121 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Condoms are pretty rubbish, though.On a serious note, and not defending his stance because it's awful, but is that not the position taken by the religion rather than him as a person? I understand that he's best placed to alter it, but I imagine even if he did want to change things he'd be under an intense amount of pressure from everywhere and everyone.He could try starting by not sending missionaries to third world countries and convincing them that condoms will actively spread AIDs.That'd be a nice start...xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 He could try starting by not sending missionaries to third world countries and convincing them that condoms will actively spread AIDs.That'd be a nice start...xxIt would indeed. How do they get off with stuff like that? An actual lie? (Just like 'there is a God' lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stroopy121 Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 It would indeed. How do they get off with stuff like that? An actual lie? (Just like 'there is a God' lol)The protection religion is given when it makes these stupid claims is shocking. If I believed that the moon was made of cheese, you'd have every right to make fun of me. Why is it intolerant to make fun of someone thinking the invisible man will answer their prayers if they believe he will....?/rantxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 "You're not an atheist, you're an agnostic""No, I'm a real atheist. Do you even understand agonstics?"What a heap of shit. Why the fuck do you need a title?"Are you religious?""No."End of fucking story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 There are aspects of religion which are hugely positive:Moderate religion encourages people to consider their actions and pertain towards a moral life. Perhaps the reason that Zeromisery enjoys speaking with Jehova Witnesses is because they represent an arena in which ethical issues can be discussed, an arena sometimes lacking in secular life (or perhaps hidden behind ivory towers).I think KarmaTsunami may have touched upon something similar in saying that she 'could' find something - something meaningful - in religion. Where in modern life would a deepness of meaning comparable to that expressed in the bible be found? In money? Television? A new car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 There are aspects of religion which are hugely positive:Moderate religion encourages people to consider their actions and pertain towards a moral life. Perhaps the reason that Zeromisery enjoys speaking with Jehova Witnesses is because they represent an arena in which ethical issues can be discussed, an arena sometimes lacking in secular life (or perhaps hidden behind ivory towers).I enjoyed talking to them in the way I enjoy telling my girlfriends 5 year old that cows say woof and dogs say moo and watching him trying to figure out what the fuck is going onAnd, like I told the JW's, I don't need a book or an intergalactic father figure with threats if unending torment to want to lead a good life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I enjoyed talking to them in the way I enjoy telling my girlfriends 5 year old that cows say woof and dogs say moo and watching him trying to figure out what the fuck is going on.Nice that you invited them into your home and gave them the respect all humans deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Nice that you invited them into your home and gave them the respect all humans deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Nice that you invited them into your home and gave them the respect all humans deserve. Personally I think all humans deserve the respect of not having someone knocking on their door trying to sell them something, be it double-glazing, a new kitchen, or another way to hate people who think a little bit different to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 We could go down the route of saying just how much respect do "all humans deserve" too I suppose. I mean, did Saddam Hussein deserve the same respect as Ghandi? I'm not saying that JW's are saddam's or ghandi's. Just asking who set's th benchmark of this "global respect"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 We could go down the route of saying just how much respect do "all humans deserve" too I suppose. I mean, did Saddam Hussein deserve the same respect as Ghandi? I'm not saying that JW's are saddam's or ghandi's. Just asking who set's th benchmark of this "global respect"?I'm sorry that my remark came across as overly pious. I had the idea that you had been finding some value speaking with these people. I also intended to link this notion with a broader idea that believers are often more attuned to ethical issues / general debate than the average non-believer. I too have had really good conversations with believers, who frequently have more developed and considered opinions on a range of subjects than many non-believers. This doesn't account for the substance of their arguments, merely that they possess a stance.The point you make, 'who sets the benchmark for global respect' is really apt and I think that believers have a greater infrastructure upon which to base moral choices or life decisions. They have leaders to teach them and fellow believers to consult. Their holy books contain moral guidance and valuable life support. Their traditions and ceremonies seem to contain a real reverence and respect for life itself. Where do non-believers obtain a similar service? At what point are non-believers encouraged to think deeply about life? There are few places more suited to contemplation than a church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I wasn't sure if your previous comment was intended sarcastically or not, it can be hard to tell in text since there is no tone behind it. By "infrastructure upon which to base their moral choices" it comes back to fear again. You know the old saying "I'm just a god fearing person...", have you ever though about exactly what that means? As for respect and ceremonies, have you ever heard of disfellowship or ex-communication? If you happen to be gay, smoke, get drunk,gamble or have a blood transfusion (even if you're in an accident and are unconscious) this is grounds for disfellowship. Most of these things aren't even mentioned in the watchtower. What kind of respect is that for a person? When they make a choice to smoke and are cast out? Imagine how harmful that could be for a person who still believes the watchtower doctrine, with disfellowship comes condemnation to everlasting destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I wasn't sure if your previous comment was intended sarcastically or not, it can be hard to tell in text since there is no tone behind it. By "infrastructure upon which to base their moral choices" it comes back to fear again. You know the old saying "I'm just a god fearing person...", have you ever though about exactly what that means? As for respect and ceremonies, have you ever heard of disfellowship or ex-communication? If you happen to be gay, smoke, get drunk,gamble or have a blood transfusion (even if you're in an accident and are unconscious) this is grounds for disfellowship. Most of these things aren't even mentioned in the watchtower. What kind of respect is that for a person? When they make a choice to smoke and are cast out? Imagine how harmful that could be for a person who still believes the watchtower doctrine, with disfellowship comes condemnation to everlasting destruction.With ceremonies I was really referring to things like funerals, weddings, baptisms and christmas. By 'infrastructure...' I mean that religions have the apparatus upon which to reflect upon life in a deep and comprehensive fashion. Secular life perhaps lacks something comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I was married by a humanist and recently attended a catholic funeral. Horrible. Desperately impersonal. I couldn't tell if it was Jesus who had died or my aunt. 99% of people don't know the true origins of Christmas.As for reflecting on life, "live in the now, man". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Where do you look for moral guidance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Where do you look for moral guidance?Hunter Stockton Thompson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hunter Stockton Thompson.Well, it's a little better than Jeremy Kyle anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeromiserY Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Well, it's a little better than Jeremy Kyle anyway.Jerry springer has a better message than the bible. "take care of yourself and each other". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelecasterSam Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 as opposed to Jeremy Kyle's............ "put something on the end of it!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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