Lemonade Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Is the second album the one with Ruby? I'm not sure if I could bring myself to pay actual money for something with that song on it...Yeah but it's track 1 so you can just skip it. Out of 13 songs on that album there's probably 9 or 10 really good tracks.Anyway, that's probably about as much Kaiser Chiefs chat as we can fit in before the mods delete it for being irrelevant. I'm going to stop ruining this thread now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gladstone Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Yeah but it's track 1 so you can just skip it. Out of 13 songs on that album there's probably 9 or 10 really good tracks.Anyway, that's probably about as much Kaiser Chiefs chat as we can fit in before the mods delete it for being irrelevant.Hmmm. Well, there are a lot of albums out there that I'm keen on - I could have spent hundreds in One-Up yesterday, so Kaiser Chiefs second album will be way down my list of ones to buy.I'm quite surprised that you're a Kaiser Chiefs and a Killers fan. Like the Kaiser Chiefs, I really liked Killers early on, but they just annoy me now. I love most of Hot Fuss...Lyrically, Mr Brightside is quite good actually.*clutches at straws to try and make the Killers chat relevant to the thread* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 So is this also transforming into whose lyrics you like and dislike?Yoni Wolf of Why? is my favourite lyricist, as is John Linnel of They Might Be Giants. I find it weird how lyricists can get worse instead of better as they age. Billie Joe Armstrong and Rivers Cuomo spring to mind on that front. Neither were ever great, but what the fuck are they doing these days? Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsby Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I don't think anyone's holding lyrics out to be more important than the music, but some people who write lyrics are imaginative / witty / creative with their lyrics, and perhaps they have a story to tell with their songs.What would have happened if someone like Bob Dylan had taken the advice of someone like you when he was starting out, and decided "fuck it, nobody can hear what I'm saying, or work out what I'm saying in these little bars with their shitty sound systems and all the people chatting etc, I'll just repeat the same 3 words over and over again" ??I don't think that would have worked for Bob Dylan.Funnily enough most of my favourite Dylan songsare things that are a bit nonsensical. Visions of Johanna and Desolation Row for example. I have a rough idea of what he's singing about, but quite a bit of the song doesn't really fit in, likeInside the museums, Infinity goes up on trialVoices echo this is what salvation must be like after a whileBut Mona Lisa musta had the highway bluesYou can tell by the way she smilesSee the primitive wallflower freezeWhen the jelly-faced women all sneezeHear the one with the mustache say, "JeezeI can't find my knees"Oh, jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the muleBut these visions of Johanna, they make it all seem so cruelBut when he's singing it it sounds utterly brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gladstone Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Funnily enough most of my favourite Dylan songsare things that are a bit nonsensical. Visions of Johanna and Desolation Row for example. I have a rough idea of what he's singing about, but quite a bit of the song doesn't really fit in, likeBut when he's singing it it sounds utterly brilliant.That entered my mind actually - the fact that a lot of his lyrics don't really make sense, but I think they make sense to him or would have when he wrote them. He certainly tells a story in a lot of his songs. I'm no Dylan expert, by any stretch of the imagination, I've only got 2 maybe 3 albums. My point was really that his songs wouldn't work with just repeated phrases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsby Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 My point was really that his songs wouldn't work with just repeated phrases.Bob Dylan - Wiggle Wiggle - Listen Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I've got ham but I'm not a hamster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stichman Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 just strum E, A and D over and over.Stop giving away all my secrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Those are a joke right? No one could be that ignorant of stem-cell research.No. He actually thinks that that's exactly what needs to happen for stem-cell research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 My favourite Dylan song is 'Ballad of a Thin Man', the lyrics of which are complete twaddle but make him even more enigmatic. I have a feeling it's intentional for this song to be nonsense and the repeated refrain addressed to 'Mr Jones' is directed at someone who has tried to over-analyse his lyrics in the past. You walk into the roomWith your pencil in your handYou see somebody nakedAnd you say, "Who is that man?"You try so hardBut you don't understandJust what you will sayWhen you get homeBecause something is happening hereBut you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?You raise up your headAnd you ask, "Is this where it is?"And somebody points to you and says"It's his"And you say, "What's mine?"And somebody else says, "Where what is?"And you say, "Oh my GodAm I here all alone?"But something is happeningAnd you don't know what it is Do you, Mister Jones?You hand in your ticketAnd you go watch the geekWho immediately walks up to youWhen he hears you speakAnd says, "How does it feelTo be such a freak?"And you say, "Impossible"As he hands you a boneAnd something is happening hereBut you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?You have many contactsAmong the lumberjacksTo get you factsWhen someone attacks your imaginationBut nobody has any respectAnyway they already expect youTo all give a checkTo tax-deductible charity organizationsYou've been with the professorsAnd they've all liked your looksWith great lawyers you haveDiscussed lepers and crooksYou've been through all ofF. Scott Fitzgerald's booksYou're very well readIt's well knownBut something is happening hereAnd you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?Well, the sword swallower, he comes up to youAnd then he kneelsHe crosses himselfAnd then he clicks his high heelsAnd without further noticeHe asks you how it feelsAnd he says, "Here is your throat backThanks for the loan"And you know something is happeningBut you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?Now you see this one-eyed midgetShouting the word "NOW"And you say, "For what reason?"And he says, "How?"And you say, "What does this mean?"And he screams back, "You're a cowGive me some milkOr else go home"And you know something's happeningBut you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?Well, you walk into the roomLike a camel and then you frownYou put your eyes in your pocketAnd your nose on the groundThere ought to be a lawAgainst you comin' aroundYou should be madeTo wear earphones'Cause something is happeningAnd you don't know what it isDo you, Mister Jones?I don't mind weird meaningless lyrics. At least they are interesting.Travis were another band with bad lyrics. At least when they hit upon the idea of making every song have one word as a chorus - 'Sing', 'Turn', etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsby Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 It's the way he sneers "Do you, Mr Joooonnnes" that makes it ace. That song sounds really evil.Not one of my faves though, funnily enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Back on the original topic, here's one of mine. I'm not sure how I feel about the whole lyrics without the music thing but, given my youthful obsession with inlays including the words, here goes. It's also probably a more concise statement of my atheism than anything else I've posted on these boards.A live version is on Curators on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music DownloadsState of GraceI'll swear no faithand set my shoulders straightto bear the loadof what's at stakewhen we don't believewhat we are toldno well thumbed pageis word enough to takeon faith aloneI'll face my fateon terms that I dictateand on my ownI'll embracea state of gracewith both of my feet on the groundwhile you're stuckstaring upI'll keep my eyes looking downtoday could be the daythat I take my crutch awayand I stand on my owna man must make a markalone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Back on the original topic, here's one of mine. I'm not sure how I feel about the whole lyrics without the music thing but, given my youthful obsession with inlays including the words, here goes. It's also probably a more concise statement of my atheism than anything else I've posted on these boards.A live version is on Curators on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music DownloadsState of GraceI'll swear no faithand set my shoulders straightto bear the loadof what's at stakewhen we don't believewhat we are toldno well thumbed pageis word enough to takeon faith aloneI'll face my fateon terms that I dictateand on my ownI'll embracea state of gracewith both of my feet on the groundwhile you're stuckstaring upI'll keep my eyes looking downtoday could be the daythat I take my crutch awayand I stand on my owna man must make a markaloneI like the run of the words. It's not too complex and has some nice phrases. It doesn't try and say too much or tell a detailed tale, but still says something about you. It has rhyme and rhythm.I'm personally not so keen on very literal lines such as: 'we don't believe / what we are told.' Couldn't you say the same thing in a more abstract way, or with a nice image? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I take your point, but I like the obvious phrasing there because it comes at the end of what is effectively quite a convoluted sentence: "I'll swear no faith and set my shoulders straight to bear the load of what's at stake when we don't believe what we are told." It's kind of a wee injoke to myself because (as anyone who knows me could probably attest) I can be a little bit verbose in conversation once I get going! I've allowed myself a little burst of tabloidism. Also, it's quite a neat para-rhyme.I blame university Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stichman Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Here's one that I partially ripped from a Keats (I think) poemA Change of HeartSylvia breathes in the heart of the midnightAnd longs for the sleep that eludes her tonightShe dreams a strangers dreamConscience hoards its strength for the darknessAnd waits in the wings until everything passesThe mornings careful fingers pressed against the window paneYou cant arrive when youre lacking directionBoredom will breed in the depths of perfectionShes climbing up the cream walls in her pristine holding cellA reluctant home for a heart that was stolenWords that were warm are stale and theyre frozenThe future cannot hold whats slipping through our present handsThis should be everything, but shes flat on her back and she stares at the ceilingThis should be everythingThis should be everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KimyReizeger Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Here's one that I partially ripped from a Keats (I think) poemA Change of HeartSylvia breathes in the heart of the midnightAnd longs for the sleep that eludes her tonightShe dreams a strangers dreamConscience hoards its strength for the darknessAnd waits in the wings until everything passesThe mornings careful fingers pressed against the window paneYou cant arrive when youre lacking directionBoredom will breed in the depths of perfectionShes climbing up the cream walls in her pristine holding cellA reluctant home for a heart that was stolenWords that were warm are stale and theyre frozenThe future cannot hold whats slipping through our present handsThis should be everything, but shes flat on her back and she stares at the ceilingThis should be everythingThis should be everythingI just think the images are unnecessarily dense. There's little to latch onto as a listener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idol_wild Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I just think the images are unnecessarily dense. There's little to latch onto as a listener.That's why he performs the lyrics as part of a band and augments it with music to try and emphasise effect/atmosphere/feel of the subject matter, though. Well I assume that's why he does it.Otherwise he could just go to a poetry reading gig and read it out.That's the thing about lyrics - it's been touched upon before, but without listening to the song, or moreover, seeing it performed live, it is sometimes very very difficult to get a feel for what is being said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stichman Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I just think the images are unnecessarily dense. There's little to latch onto as a listener.Fair enough. I guess it's an attempt to convey a feeling that's hard to pin down, maybe a sense of claustrophobia or regret. In that sense, I think the density was deliberate and hopefully along wiht the melody it creates an unsettling atmosphere.Then again, maybe I just sound like a wank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTickingTime-Bomb Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 No. He actually thinks that that's exactly what needs to happen for stem-cell research.Awesome!I want new legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedo 808 Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Though admittedly some of it is just words that rhyme that I thought sounded cool.Well if I hadn't been told that I'd have put your lyrics in the, "Not really sure what it all means, but I have faith that it all means something" category, much as I do with Jimmy Eat World. There's a lot of quality in that song; the first line has cracking imagery and there continues to be good imagery throughout. When I'm writing with someone else and I really need to get to the crux of the song sometimes we'll go through every line and ask the question, "Ok, but what do you mean when you say that?"Those are the days that I'm not very popular.To me, meaning in a song doesn't need to be obvious, but I need to know that the person who is writing and singing the song understands it. That makes it easier to sing in the long run anyway. Emotional logic used properly can be more intense and poetic than linear narrative song writing.Carrots Gladstone - Underkills, PlasticI think this song's cool. I really like the message. Fashionistas would love this kind of thing cos they all love to bitch out other fashionistas.The first 20 seconds of the intro made me think it was gonna burst into Black Betty at any moment. What's the opening chord? 2nd string, 4th fret? 1/9? Something totally different probably. lol. The lead part.... 2/2,2/4,3/2,3/1,2/2,2/4... its fun to play.I think you should try singing the chorus with a little more conviction and venom. Exaggerate the consonants slightly and experiment with the spacing of each syllable. If you really spat out the words more like:youre SO PlasTIC fakeTANtasTICAlso, I would experiment with pausing less on the word "fake" as in fake-tantastic and try a more even spacing of fake-tan-tas-tic.All of it or none of it might work, always worth experimenting though. I've also edited a few more bits in the song you might want to consider.You like to shop till you dropIt's all about the make up, tip topShit hot, so hot it hurtsBut it's only on the outsideI rewrote this bit. My version reads.You like to shop till you dropSpend hours on your make-up, tip topYou love yourself so much it hurtsBut it's only on the outsideThis version takes away the repetition of the word "hot" in line 2, removes the swearing which in this case I didn't think was necessary and sums up the whole theme of the song in the first verse because now we see that it's not just her looks, but also her confidence which is only skin deep.Walking like the street's a catwalkIt's all about the fake talk, non-stopYou talk so much it hurts (You speak/chat so much it hurts/You talk till my ears hurt?)You are really ugly on the inside (You're not so perfect on the inside?) I'd try and remove the repetition of the word talk, and you could also soften the last line to put a different spin on the meaning. But if you're happy as it is...I'll leave it at that. I like to tinker with other people's songs, but there comes a time you need to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oedo 808 Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Sylvia breathes in the heart of the midnightAnd longs for the sleep that eludes her tonightShe dreams a strangers dreamI'm confused. She's dreaming a strangers dream whilst trying to get to sleep?OK, here's a short one that won't take too long to write out:My exes all got married...This one's good. We covered this theme of the married exes with ASFG but took a different angle on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xander Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Was I the first you spoke freely?I am sure your skin has known many,Fluent, foreign tongues, Each leaving an imprint, and an accent.It took an age to learn the language, Of your love, but I loved,Studying the deep greens of your eyes.Translating sighs and murmurs.But my language bored you.I am an artless tongue,Speaking in facts and figures.No metaphors escape me.Not got any music for this yet, wrote it as a poem, but I really need to get some songs done. Probably will be something slow though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stichman Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I'm confused. She's dreaming a strangers dream whilst trying to get to sleep?.Yeeeeah. Dreaming as in wishing, rather than being asleep. I realise it sounds a bit cryptic, but it makes sense to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltz Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Can a Kartta-er post the lyrics for 'Henri Got Cancer'? I like them, although there's a couple I can't quite make out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idol_wild Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Can a Kartta-er post the lyrics for 'Henri Got Cancer'? I like them, although there's a couple I can't quite make out.Henri Got Cancer by Kartta. For the record, this song has nothing to do with the debilitating disease.Kartta on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music DownloadsHenri died today,Only papa would say,What he saw the last time.He looked, he said: "Above the buildings, above the sky",And was struck so he sang off key,And danced with the dead.At least he played true to what he knew.He wrote true to what he knew."Nothing scares me more", he said,"Put a gun to my head","It's funny", Fate said,Peering over his all shoulder.At least he played true to what he knew.He wrote true to what he knew.And as all our heroes die, we try to remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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