Smoke free pubs

[Rachie]

So... because you pay tax through your cigarrettes then that makes it okay because it covers your cancer bill? Very good... What about all those people who dont smoke who get passive smoking related illnesses? Because their NHS bill is covered it's okay? So in theory it's be okay for me to drive fast and run you over because I pay tax? The fact it would be damaging your body is entirely irrelivant' date=' is it?

Your argument has as many holes as fish net tights.[/quote']

Yas min.

In addition - I would have said it yesterday but I couldn't be bothered... If you think the amount of tax paid by tobacco sales covers the costs of Chemo, hospital stay, surgery and terminal care you'd be wrong.

[UFB]

Well i am a smoker, and i don't think the smoking ban will bother me that much, i have always been quite a considerate smoker, if someone is really bothered about it then i will move away, or just not have a cig around them, can't really think many of my friends that are really bothered by it, but i was once in a pub with a cig in mouth about to light it up and just before i had lit it a women walked past coughing and doing that wavey hand thing infront of her face, i thought to myself has this cig just Spontaneously combust or something.

I just think its beyond a joke when you can't smoke in bus shelters ( not even if there is no one else in it ).

But what can i do about it, NOTHING so why waste what little breathe i have complaining.

[Guest tv tanned]

Yas min.

In addition - I would have said it yesterday but I couldn't be bothered... If you think the amount of tax paid by tobacco sales covers the costs of Chemo' date=' hospital stay, surgery and terminal care you'd be wrong.[/color']

But Rachie, the tobacco lobby has been telling us for years that the costs of treating smoking related illnesses is more than covered (six times over as I recall) by the taxation taken in from tobacco.

You surely cannot be suggesting that the Tobacco Manufacturers Association are untrustworthy types can you?

[Rachie]

But Rachie' date=' the tobacco lobby has been telling us for years that the costs of treating smoking related illnesses is more than covered (six times over as I recall) by the taxation taken in from tobacco.

You surely cannot be suggesting that the Tobacco Manufacturers Association are untrustworthy types can you?[/quote']

I guess I must be!

Whooops! Silly me.

But of course, as Sharon said, if it more than covers the cost, then how inconsiderate of me - you just keep on blowing smoke in my face! If my NHS bills are paid by your little cancer sticks then I suppose I should be grateful!

[Guest tv tanned]

But of course' date=' as Sharon said, if it more than covers the cost, then how inconsiderate of me - you just keep on blowing smoke in my face! If my NHS bills are paid by your little cancer sticks then I suppose I should be grateful![/color']

Hey, those smokers have to keep the cancer specialists in work, don't they? What better way than by giving lung cancer to people who are too inconsiderate to take up smoking?

Heck, they should be marching on the capital. We're getting all these diseases without paying for their cigarettes.

[Marillionboy]

INtersting how worked up thedse smokers are getting. Believe me when you give up you'll re-read this thread and feel so stupid. Your addiction is talking, not you.

TV Tanned one but last message summed it up perfectly.

[Swingin' Ryan]

Aye' date=' well you enjoy your horrendously painful death when it comes. And all because it's rock n' roll to smoke..

The only time I have a cigarette now is one after work (stupid I know) and when I'm drinking (stupid aswell but I've cut that down a bit)[/quote']

What so because you think the fact that you smoke is stupid and you want to quit, your going to be fine?!

The fact you want to quit but still have not does not bode well.

I can go for a fair while without a cigarette and not be bothered, but I continue to do it because I enjoy it. You're clearly ball-and-chained to Nicotine, by the time you finally quit the damage could already be done. If you're going to smoke and die a painful death, you might aswell enjoy it.

Good luck quitting though (even though that's not very 'rock n' roll')

Yes' date=' and you think you have a human right to smoke in any enclosed public place, you don't.[/quote']

I don't think that at all, if the owner doesn't want me smoking in his bar, then I won't. I just don't think it's the Governments place to impose a smoking ban on public houses.

Do you avoid walking on the pavements as well? Bad drivers can get you anywhere you know. I assume you don't cross the road either in case one of these maniacs runs the red light?

No I don't avoid walking on pavements, it's the risk you have to take to be able to enjoy a normal life. If you don't want to be left with a 'sterile social life' then you can take the risk of a smokey club. Personally I think unless your a travelling pub performer or work in a very smokey pub for a long period of time, then the worst thing your going to be lumbered with is clothes that smell of smoke. Which clearly hasn't been bad enough to curb your social life in the past.

[beeker]

I don't think that at all' date=' if the owner doesn't want me smoking in his bar, then I won't. I just don't think it's the Governments place to impose a smoking ban on public houses.

No I don't avoid walking on pavements, it's the risk you have to take to be able to enjoy a normal life. If you don't want to be left with a 'sterile social life' then you can take the risk of a smokey club. Personally I think unless your a travelling pub performer or work in a very smokey pub for a long period of time, then the worst thing your going to be lumbered with is clothes that smell of smoke. Which clearly hasn't been bad enough to curb your social life in the past.[/quote']

So you'd be ok with the pub landlord saying you can't smoke but because the government says you can't you are all against it!?

Seriously, smoking is minging - anyone that started it did it becuase they thought it was cool and the government are giving you a way of quitting but your 'so addicted' you can't do it. I suggest you get yourself some willpower and quit smoking and enjoy the clean air like the rest of us will be doing!

[Swingin' Ryan]

So you'd be ok with the pub landlord saying you can't smoke but because the government says you can't you are all against it!?

Bingo' date=' I wouldn't be delighted about it, but I'd respect the landlord's decision. As smokers go, I'm like Mother Teresa. I once put out a cigarette in the SMOKING section of a restaurant in Amsterdam because some obese American family decided they preferred the view in the smoking section but 'didn't really like the smoke'.

I suggest you get yourself some willpower and quit smoking and enjoy the clean air like the rest of us will be doing!

I have plenty of willpower, I just don't plan on stopping smoking just now. And unless you live in the Alps, the air your breathing is far from clean.

[Guest neil ex]

What so because you think the fact that you smoke is stupid and you want to quit' date=' your going to be fine?!

The fact you want to quit but still have not does not bode well.

I can go for a fair while without a cigarette and not be bothered, but I continue to do it because I enjoy it. Your clearly ball-and-chained to Nicotine, by the time you finally quit the damage could already be done. If you're going to smoke and die a painful death, you might aswell enjoy it.

.[/quote']

No, it will probably catch up with me at some point. I'm trying to quit so I can enjoy my life better. A lot of smokers don't want to because, like yourself they enjoy smoking. I think that's part of the addiction itself. Gone through that myself.

'The fact you want to quit but still have not does not bode well.' - take note then

It's up to you and you have a right if you want to smoke.

Carry on having an occasional fag and you'll end up ball and chained. You sound like an addict to me at the moment anyway.

[Guest neil ex]

I have plenty of willpower' date=' I just don't plan on stopping smoking just now.[/quote']

Typical addict I'm afraid to say..

[Swingin' Ryan]

Carry on having an occasional fag and you'll end up ball and chained. You sound like an addict to me at the moment anyway.

I'm not saying I'm a casual smoker. I've been smoking for years and I completely admit to being addicted, I just don't want to quit because I enjoy it. If I didn't enjoy it, I'd be doing my best to stop smoking. Everyone has vices, I very rarely get properly drunk, but I love having a cigarette. I'm not saying quitting qould be easy, I just don't plan on doing it. There's no guilt involved.

[Bass Cadet]

Well I'm an addict, I'm happy, and I don't want to quit.

I love the smoking ban because.....

I work in a bookies where we don't get any breaks during a shift but they have had to introduce them so we can nip out for a fag - Hurrah

I also think it will stop me chainsmoking in the pub because I will only have a fag when I need one instead of whenever I'm offered one - Hurrah less coughing on a Saturday Morning!

I am also looking forward to the sociable aspect of being an outcast - think of all the fellow smokers I'll meet outside pub, which I never would of met otherwise.

I am indeed looking forward to the ban - Hurrah!

[beeker]

I'm not saying I'm a casual smoker. I've been smoking for years and I completely admit to being addicted' date=' I just don't want to quit because I enjoy it. If I didn't enjoy it, I'd be doing my best to stop smoking. Everyone has vices, I very rarely get properly drunk, but I love having a cigarette. I'm not saying quitting qould be easy, I just don't plan on doing it. There's no guilt involved.[/quote']

but smoking is minging, makes your teeth yellow, your fingers yellow - stinks up your flat, stinks up your clothes, your breath.. gads...

How did you get started.. out of curiosity...?

[Flash@TMB]

Most pub landlords that self imposed a ban on their pub, in the absence of a Government ban, would be out of business very quickly. The only exception to this might be food led pubs. Non-smokers are not going to frequent a non-smoking pub for the simple reason that their mates smoke.

One of the main reasons behind the ban is to protect bar staff. It's all very well to say that if someone has a problem with smoke they should work somewhere else, or that only smokers should work behind a bar. But the fact is that non-smoking bar staff are often exposed to substantially more smoke than a smoker. And as for smoking bar staff... not good, really not good. This is especially the case in a pub without smoke extraction.

The fact is that smoker or not, we cannot as a society realistically expect anyone to be exposed to those working conditions, and risk ruining their health, for what is usually clsoe to minimum wage, with no medical cover, no insurance, and rarely even a pension. And for exactly the same reasons that we no longer expect people to work in a ship engine room breathing asbestos dust.

Apparently the only exception to this rule is the people working in the House of Commons bar...

But that's the main reasoning behind the ban.

[Bass Cadet]

but smoking is minging' date=' makes your teeth yellow, your fingers yellow - stinks up your flat, stinks up your clothes, your breath.. gads...

How did you get started.. out of curiosity...?[/quote']

I have neither yellow fingers or yellow teeth - it does smell a bit though your right on that score. I just dont see why it matters anyway, fellow smokers don't smell it and I try to stay away from non-smokers so I don't offend them.

I started because I was addicted to far worse and I managed to kick that habit by starting (far more sociably acceptable at the time) smoking. As long as I'm not annoying anyone else I don't see what the problem is - I have no desire for a long life.

[EchelonDivision]

You are confusing a fog machine with a smoke machine' date=' fog machines are very rare and rely on dry ice to create a fog which sits at floor level, a smoke machine uses non toxic liquid passed over a hot element which creates smoke.

G...[/quote']

From http://www.pea-soup.com/faqs.shtm

The terms 'smoke machine' and 'fog machine' both refer to the same type of unit.

'Fog machine' is the term used more in the United States, and 'smoke machine' is the term mainly used in the United Kingdom and Europe. Technically, the correct terminology is 'fog machine', as the dictionary definition of fog is 'liquid particles suspended in the air' (smoke/fog machines always vapourise liquid), whereas smoke is 'solid particles suspended in the air'. The effect generated appears to be that of smoke. Tradition along with product descriptions over the decades has created this moniker foible.

The most common type of smoke machine are those which use a water-based fluid, which is made up mainly of pharmaceutical grade glycol and water. There are also other harmless chemicals in the fluid. Other types of smoke machine include dry ice machines (which create a low lying heavy fog that uses solid carbon dioxide AKA dry ice), liquid nitrogen (which also creates a low lying fog), oil based smoke machines (similar in principle to water based machines, but uses an oil rather than a water base - the smoke can withstand much higher temperatures) and hazers (water based haze generators, mainly used to accentuate lighting than for conventional 'smoke' effects).

[EchelonDivision]

You really think it'll be enforcable to stop smoking in bus shelters - no way!

It is being governed by the Environmental Health marshalls, not the police. The council have elected 5 EHM's for the whole of Aberdeen. How many bus shelters are there? You do the math!

[Flash@TMB]

From http://www.pea-soup.com/faqs.shtm

The terms 'smoke machine' and 'fog machine' both refer to the same type of unit.

'Fog machine' is the term used more in the United States' date=' and 'smoke machine' is the term mainly used in the United Kingdom and Europe. Technically, the correct terminology is 'fog machine', as the dictionary definition of fog is 'liquid particles suspended in the air' (smoke/fog machines always vapourise liquid), whereas smoke is 'solid particles suspended in the air'. The effect generated appears to be that of smoke. Tradition along with product descriptions over the decades has created this moniker foible.

The most common type of smoke machine are those which use a water-based fluid, which is made up mainly of pharmaceutical grade glycol and water. There are also other harmless chemicals in the fluid. Other types of smoke machine include dry ice machines (which create a low lying heavy fog that uses solid carbon dioxide AKA dry ice), liquid nitrogen (which also creates a low lying fog), oil based smoke machines (similar in principle to water based machines, but uses an oil rather than a water base - the smoke can withstand much higher temperatures) and hazers (water based haze generators, mainly used to accentuate lighting than for conventional 'smoke' effects).[/quote']

I like the sound of the water based ones. The oil based ones are horrible. Like breathing exhaust. Perhaps we'll invest in a water based machine.

[EchelonDivision]

T In the Park Smoking Ban!

Some of the world's top rockers will be banned from lighting up backstage at this summer's T In The Park festival under the new smoking laws, it has emerged.

The ban, which comes into force in Scotland on March 26, covers all enclosed spaces and will therefore include stars' dressing rooms and VIP areas.

It means smokers such as Franz Ferdinand frontman Alex Kapranos and Ordinary Boys singer Preston will have to stub their cigarettes out or else face a 50 spot fine.

The stars will join the likes of The Who and The Red Hot Chilli Peppers at the sell-out two-day event at Balado in July.

The new legislation will also cover tents and marquees, meaning bands will not be able to light up while performing at the venues.

The rules for the festivals' roofed open stages will depend on the local council policy.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said: "The smoking ban applies to enclosed public spaces - something that it more than 50% walled.

"So yes, if there are enclosed areas such as dressing rooms that means they will be covered.

From http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=264302006

[GraemeC]

Some of the world's top rockers will be banned from lighting up backstage at this summer's T In The Park festival under the new smoking laws' date=' it has emerged.

The ban, which comes into force in Scotland on March 26, covers all enclosed spaces and will therefore include stars' dressing rooms and VIP areas.

It means smokers such as Franz Ferdinand frontman Alex Kapranos and Ordinary Boys singer Preston will have to stub their cigarettes out or else face a 50 spot fine.

The stars will join the likes of The Who and The Red Hot Chilli Peppers at the sell-out two-day event at Balado in July.

The new legislation will also cover tents and marquees, meaning bands will not be able to light up while performing at the venues.

The rules for the festivals' roofed open stages will depend on the local council policy.

A spokesman for the Scottish Executive said: "The smoking ban applies to enclosed public spaces - something that it more than 50% walled.

"So yes, if there are enclosed areas such as dressing rooms that means they will be covered.

[b']From http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=264302006

You have just contradicted yourself..... "The smoking ban applies to enclosed public spaces" hardly how I would describe a bands dressing room.

[EchelonDivision]

You have just contradicted yourself..... "The smoking ban applies to enclosed public spaces" hardly how I would describe a bands dressing room.

A bands dressing room is an enclosed public space by definition of the Scottish Executive. A private members club is also an enclosed public space.

I didn't contradict myself, as the whole statement was quoted from the Scotsman website.

[GraemeC]

From http://www.pea-soup.com/faqs.shtm

The terms 'smoke machine' and 'fog machine' both refer to the same type of unit.

'Fog machine' is the term used more in the United States' date=' and 'smoke machine' is the term mainly used in the United Kingdom and Europe. Technically, the correct terminology is 'fog machine', as the dictionary definition of fog is 'liquid particles suspended in the air' (smoke/fog machines always vapourise liquid), whereas smoke is 'solid particles suspended in the air'. The effect generated appears to be that of smoke. Tradition along with product descriptions over the decades has created this moniker foible.

The most common type of smoke machine are those which use a water-based fluid, which is made up mainly of pharmaceutical grade glycol and water. There are also other harmless chemicals in the fluid. Other types of smoke machine include dry ice machines (which create a low lying heavy fog that uses solid carbon dioxide AKA dry ice), liquid nitrogen (which also creates a low lying fog), oil based smoke machines (similar in principle to water based machines, but uses an oil rather than a water base - the smoke can withstand much higher temperatures) and hazers (water based haze generators, mainly used to accentuate lighting than for conventional 'smoke' effects).[/quote']

A dry ice machine does not produce smoke....it is therfore a fog machine. I have worked in the industry for 1000000 years and have used both devices in my time, all smoke machines should now use water based fluid....its the law.

And yes I know that the dj industry have now confused the two but as far as I am concerned a fog machine is a devise that creates a fog using dry ice and a smoke machine etc etc.

[GraemeC]

A bands dressing room is an enclosed public space by definition of the Scottish Executive. A private members club is also an enclosed public space.

I didn't contradict myself' date=' as the whole statement was quoted from the Scotsman website.[/quote']

Well they must be talking shite....because a bands dressing room is neither an enclosed public space nor a private members club.

Unless invited, the public will never see the inside of a bands dressing room.

Is my caravan an enclosed public space?

[EchelonDivision]

A dry ice machine does not produce smoke....it is therfore a fog machine. I have worked in the industry for 1000000 years and have used both devices in my time' date=' all smoke machines should now use water based fluid....its the law.

And yes I know that the dj industry have now confused the two but as far as I am concerned a fog machine is a devise that creates a fog using dry ice and a smoke machine etc etc.[/quote']

Fair enough. The point is that neither give off smoke and neither give off harmful vapours/gasses.