Fao: Every Single Gig Goer

[shaun]

i had some awful people infront of me at dresden dolls gig the other night. thankfully they went to talk (and maybe die) at the bar after 3 or 4 song.

[nullmouse]

People care way too much about little things in this city and don't give a toss about the big picture..it's sad.

On the contrary. I like to think I work hard for a living, and certainly feel as if I make a contribution to science and society. Hence I appreciate my leisure time and that's why people who selfishly impede on my enjoyment of it annoy me so much. Also, this is a thread about talking at gigs, although I could understand your comment if we'd originally been talking about, y'know, god n other deep stuff.

[Jim Stax]

Well' date=' I'd have as much right to set off an air-horn throughout a band's set. Just because I'd be within my rights doesn't mean I should be a selfish asshole and ruin the majority of other people's fun.

Besides, there's the period before and after bands that's perfectly okay to socialise in. Also, there's corridors and often bars associated with most venues that the friendly bouncers and ticket staff will let you move between so that those that want to talk can go move somewhere they're not going to irritate other people.

We're talking about consideration here, and not being selfish. Rights have nothing to do with it.[/quote']

Oooooh Cloud! You have vexxed Alun. That is surely worthy of an award or ward (just kidding, I liked the word play).

[RF Scott]

Somebody else take this... Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease... I'm convinced Cloud is replying' date=' in most cases, to entirley different threads on another forum!

I try to see reason in most of your points and opinions, of which you are most certainly entilted, but always come away shaking my head... I do try, truly.

Jim

By the way, I read your (Clouds) second last reply as "venues should ban respect for fellow audience members" Which does amusingly and worryingly, fit with your stance.[/quote']

I'll take it Jim...

Cloud, what you're suggesting here is that if there are enough people at a gig to cover costs and pay bands, but they talk through the aforementioned band's sets and spoil a song/some songs/the whole frickin' set for audience members and the band/artist alike, then thats okay? I'm sorry, but 'more of the same' would be horror, pure horror, in that case. Hey, wait a second! You were talking about the big picture, and now 'more of the same' ?!!! Awesome! Contradiction Ahoy!

[Cloud]

By the way' date=' I read your (Clouds) second last reply as "venues should ban respect for fellow audience members" Which does amusingly and worryingly, fit with your stance.[/quote']

I suppose it does

Nah, there's gotta be a happy medium somewhere - I wouldn't want to see venues being like Whistle Binkies in edinburgh where bands are very much just a little sideshow to the bar and there's always a bloody racket, but at the same time, it just wouldn't feel the same if venues were all deathly quiet during bands except for the music.

At the end of the day, would people rather have gigs with irritating audience members, or no gigs at all? I don't think the 'aberdeen music scene' is strong enough to have busy gigs with no irritating people in the audience.

[Cloud]

Cloud' date=' what you're suggesting here is that if there are enough people at a gig to cover costs and pay bands, but they talk through the aforementioned band's sets and spoil a song/some songs/the whole frickin' set for audience members and the band/artist alike, then thats okay? I'm sorry, but 'more of the same' would be horror, pure horror, in that case.[/quote']

I'm asking if it's okay, I really don't know myself if it is - but from my perception of things, I think it's highly unlikely that an audience full of respectful people would pay for the gigs to happen. It just doesn't seem to work like that, you have to take the good with the bad and so on..

As for what I do at gigs? Have the brief word during sets if it needs said, otherwise shut up, or go somewhere else to talk if the band is rubbish. It's usually far too loud to have a decent conversation actually in a gig, so what's the point in trying to have one?

[nullmouse]

Oooooh Cloud! You have vexxed Alun. That is surely worthy of an award or ward (just kidding' date=' I liked the word play).[/quote']

It's the end of the day and I've been locked in a sterile room for most of the day, everything is feeling my wrath

To be perfectly honest, I find Glasgow gigs tremendously worse for this than Aberdeen gigs. Which riles me even more, seeing as I'll have driven three hours there just to have some drunken arse talking loudly to an equally twatted loudmouth

Not that I'm bitter.

Cough.

But yeah, I think there's a happy medium to be found in venues that have spaces people can go and talk in away from the main band room. Of course, whether people actually bother to move to these areas or not is another question...

[Jim Stax]

I suppose it does

Nah' date=' there's gotta be a happy medium somewhere - I wouldn't want to see venues being like Whistle Binkies in edinburgh where bands are very much just a little sideshow to the bar and there's always a bloody racket, but at the same time, it just wouldn't feel the same if venues were all deathly quiet during bands except for the music.

At the end of the day, would people rather have gigs with irritating audience members, or no gigs at all? I don't think the 'aberdeen music scene' is strong enough to have busy gigs with no irritating people in the audience.[/quote']

AAAAAAAAAAARG.... Cloud stop! I want to cook my supper!

The happy medium has been mentioned in most of the posts bar yours. It is when ignorant, self centred, inconsiderate, loud mouth, arrogant, obnoxious twats are in another room or not there at all!!!!

No I would not rather have a gig with an irritating audience! There is no need to even go there. It should be a simple human core need to be respectful and considerate toward others. Sadly, this thread could enter into the realms of a discussion on contemporary society's dissolve into abandonment of 'core' values.

Jim

[Cloud]

But yeah' date=' I think there's a happy medium to be found in venues that have spaces people can go and talk in away from the main band room. Of course, whether people actually bother to move to these areas or not is another question...[/quote']

I don't think there's any excuse not to - I don't like standing at the front for an entire gig (migraines, etc) so I usually piss off elsewhere to clear my head, but it's usually as far away from the stage as possible, like right at the back at moshulu, or outside the doors in the tunnels/etc.

I really can't understand why someone would be down the front for a gig and then start having a full blown conversation, it's just ridiculous

[Jim Stax]

I'm asking if it's okay' date=' I really don't know myself if it is - but from my perception of things, I think it's highly unlikely that an audience full of respectful people would pay for the gigs to happen. It just doesn't seem to work like that, you have to take the good with the bad and so on..

As for what I do at gigs? Have the brief word during sets if it needs said, otherwise shut up, or go somewhere else to talk if the band is rubbish. It's usually far too loud to have a decent conversation actually in a gig, so what's the point in trying to have one?[/quote']

Have you read the article? It has taken you quite some time to get to the root of the thread... Be carefull or might say something that everyone will agree with.

J

[Cloud]

No I would not rather have a gig with an irritating audience! There is no need to even go there. It should be a simple human core need to be respectful and considerate toward others. Sadly' date=' this thread could enter into the realms of a discussion on contemporary society's dissolve into abandonment of 'core' values.[/quote']

Well, it's what's relevant to the discussion, isn't it?

Okay, to throw a question out there then : how do you make people shut up at gigs?

[Jim Stax]

Well' date=' it's what's relevant to the discussion, isn't it?

Okay, to throw a question out there then : how do you make people shut up at gigs?[/quote']

'You shoudn't have to' is the point!

Personaly though. I would, if playing, throw Ziggy at the offending entity (s)!

I have asked/made people leave Drakes in the past as they were disturbing an entire audience. I would be likely give them their money back as they quite obviously thought they were somewhere else!

I'm done!

J

[chilli]

when mogwai played the lemon tree 5 or 6 years ago' date=' you couldn't hear fucking anything for the trendy arseholes at the bar. when the wannadies played the lemon tree, they stopped halfway throught the opening song to tell the audience to shut the fuck up, because the racket was incredible. the lone pigeon gig at drakes where that fucking arsefaced slapper wouldn't shut the fuck up and leave the poor guy alone.

these gigs are all memorable for being spoiled by the fucking spoons in the crowd who can't shut the fuck up because they really REALLY need the attention or whatever.

cunts.

([/quote']

All true, its fairly common knowledge that Stuart Braithwaite & MOGWAI will not play Aberdeen again because of the talkers who spoilt what should have been a great event.

i would ask why should 5% or 10% of an audience spoil the 90% to 95% of the audiences

enjoyment & stop a band that many more people want to see now from coming back.

OWN GOAL

If people want to talk, talk QUIETLY. I work hard to get money to enjoy going to see bands/artists & promote artists I/we want to see ourselves, ignorant self-centred, loudmouths should beware, when i'm about & @ interesting music events certainly

talkers are not welcome.

STFU stands for Shut The FxxK UP (during performance)

it is displayed @ The JAZZ Cafe in London, perhaps venues in Aberdeen that are

supposed to be serious about music should adopt similar signage????

[Guest pop-notmyface]

Okay' date=' to throw a question out there then : how do you make people shut up at gigs?[/quote']

stuff chewing gum down their throats.

[Cloud]

it is displayed @ The JAZZ Cafe in London' date=' perhaps venues in Aberdeen that are supposed to be serious about music should adopt similar signage????[/quote']

Not a bad idea, but I reckon most places will have one eye on the bank balance and won't want to rock the boat too much - after all, if people can have a chat in the pub, they might not go to the gigs there if they've been forced to shut up and go somewhere else 'to be seen'.

Promoters probably have to take the lead when it comes to this kind of thing, as they're effectively renting the venue out..who knows, if a few people do it at all their gigs, it might just become a common accepted practice.

[peter]

I'll have to say, if I'm completely pissed and not too enthralled by a band I do tend to talk to folks... LOTS OF DRINK = TALKING LOUDLY; go to any pub and it's the same, in fact try staying sober on a night out, it's an eye opener, Jokes aren't funny, girls are less attractive and <gasp> that band sounded a lot better after those Guinnesses last week

I don't get offended if people talk while my own band is playing, but then we're generally loud enough so we don't hear or care anyway... personally I find pissed people and heckles quite amusing and it gives you something to say apart from "ummmm this song is called ***"

[NARC]

Well, obviously unnecessary noise at gigs is not welcome, but since Richard brought up the point that he can hear chattering at the back of the tunnels whilst playing with a full band, then perhaps the people I saw speaking at the back of Moshulu (Huntedbyafreak to name one) whilst the Dresden Dolls were on should have perhaps noticed it was a woman and a piano they were confronted with. If Richard can hear noise then I'm sure Amanda could too! There's nowt wrong with have a word or two in between songs, though.

[NARC]

All true' date=' its fairly common knowledge that Stuart Braithwaite & MOGWAI will not play Aberdeen again because of the talkers who spoilt what should have been a great event.

[/quote']

Oh boo-hoo. What a big fucking baby. I love Mogwai but I wasn't aware of this. As a grown man, if he can't accept a couple of morons talking at his gigs then I don't want him in our city. Brendan O'Hare was right to crack his skull with a chair.

[french_disko]

Oh boo-hoo. What a big fucking baby. I love Mogwai but I wasn't aware of this. As a grown man' date=' if he can't accept a couple of morons talking at his gigs then I don't want him in our city. Brendan O'Hare was right to crack his skull with a chair.[/quote']

Yeah, because smashing chairs over people's head's is big & clever isn't it? and fucking hard. And it's really HARD, really BIG and really CLEVER to do it to whinging rawk stars who have the fucking audacity to expect an audience to show a modicum of respect towards the performers & their fellow audience.

I know the two events aren't linked but, fuck me, what a stupid comment.

[NARC]

Yeah it is big and clever, considering the tripe that comes out of Braithwaite's mouth most of the time. Again if he can't accept the odd twat in the crowd then he's a stupider man than me, considering that the chatter at their gigs in other locations will be at a similar level.

[huntedbyafreak]

If I was distracting anyone, I apologise. I didn't think that I was screaming the house down during Amanda's set (in fact, I'm pretty sure I wasn't) but I was trying to keep out of the way of the rest of the audience by staying up at the bar. If I was being loud and pissed anyone off, I'm sorry. If it happens again, say something.

[NARC]

You miss my point, I would severely doubt that Amanda or anyone would hear what you were saying, as you were well up the back. I was more questioning Richard's statement that he can hear chatter at the back of the Tunnels while he is playing with a fully electrified band with monitors etc.

[Ollie]

It puts u off folk talking like but as long as everyones nae doin it. To be fair Amanda had her fare share of attention.

[huntedbyafreak]

I'm not sure about that actually... I vaguely remember being at the Malcolm Middleton gig and you could hear a lot of chatter during a lot of his set. Maybe it was during the quieter songs... Having said that, I don't think that there were many people there to see him.

In response to Jsmith, I reckon that there were 20 people at the back of the Dresden Dolls gig as opposed to a couple of hundred down at the front listening... The MM gig was roughly 50/50!!! And the sound doesn't half carry in the Tunnels...

[Jim Stax]

If I was distracting anyone' date=' I apologise. I didn't think that I was screaming the house down during Amanda's set (in fact, I'm pretty sure I wasn't) but I was trying to keep out of the way of the rest of the audience by staying up at the bar. If I was being loud and pissed anyone off, I'm sorry. If it happens again, say something.[/quote']

Should think so too you big monkey.

I will say, and not in defense of anyone at all, the acoustics in the Tunnels are particularly sensitive as the room is basically a pipe, which will allow the chatter at the back to reach the front pretty much unhindered. Moshulu however is almost the complete opposite and there is a drastic fall off of volume as you move away from stage front. This is not a negative statement before all the 'shuluites' jump on it, just a matter of physics. Still no excuse for loud chatter at inappropriate times.

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