Wishbone G Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Adolf Hitler beats Tony Blair in a poll of the best leaders in history Adolf got 20th while Blair was trailing with 25th. No prizes for guessing who came first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Don't sound so surprised. Hitler was a good leader, if you recognise politics as being unethical, which it has been since Machiavelli put pen to paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midgeski Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 winny churchill number one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Don't sound so surprised. Hitler was a good leader' date=' if you recognise politics as being unethical, which it has been since Machiavelli put pen to paper[/quote']I don't call slaughtering several million of your own people, based on ethnicity alone, and leading your nation into a world war, which it subsequently lost with great loss of life on all sides, a stunning example of leadership."Oh but he built the autobahns and employed people..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepeep Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I don't call slaughtering several million of your own people' date=' based on ethnicity alone, and leading your nation into a world war, which it subsequently lost with great loss of life on all sides, a stunning example of leadership."Oh but he built the autobahns and employed people..." [/quote']I think you are missing the point, yip, hitler was a cyant, but he was a good leader. (not good meaning "good" (I sound like run DMC)."efficent" "effective" etc...remember, he thought he was right, and so did the people following him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 that still doesn't make him a good leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Instigating a process of safe democratic reform doesn't make a great leader either. It may make good governance, but not a great leader. Ideas are more important than actions, and Hitler was inspiring and strong-willedPlease don't jump on me for being a Nazi, I'm not arguing their cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 The ability to lead is only determined by the willingness of others to follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Fat Porn Star Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 that still doesn't make him a good leader.Yes it does. A good leader and a good head of state are two totally different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR!ΔNGL€ T€€TH Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 He did make that moustache style his own though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkt Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 He did make that moustache style his own though...I dunno, Oliver Hardy had that thing going on too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 "It's clear then, that few if any of the "high profile business executives" polled have read Anthony Beevor's Stalingrad - a case study in how not to run your business (in this case the German 6th Army) - which outlines how Adolf's highly individual management style sent the share price of the Third Reich into a tailspin." Yup, great leader all right. I like the way he cultivated an atmosphere of fear and mistrust as well, because we all know that's the best way to get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Nobody said he was a great commander-in-chief, except himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 That was later on That bit always comes in later. I was under the impression that fear and mistrust were his main man-management tools from day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I was under the impression that fear and mistrust were his main man-management tools from day one.They were, and your sarcasm was misplaced. Fear and mistrust have always got things done. The stick rather than the carrot worked for Stalin too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Temple Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I mean for those already in positions of power. The majority of the public were well-treated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ()Papaspyrou() Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I don't call slaughtering several million of your own people' date=' based on ethnicity alone, and leading your nation into a world war, which it subsequently lost with great loss of life on all sides, a stunning example of leadership."Oh but he built the autobahns and employed people..." [/quote']Holy shit Mark, i'm agreeing with you!Yeah, seriously I don't see how people can overlook the slaughter of 6 million jews (which, incidentally, happened DURING his leadership) and still claim he was a great leader. He effectively fucked the countries long lived social values and left them in pretty their pre-war state after his fairy tale dream of an all aryan race amusingly collapsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Denim.. Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Call me a Nazi if you like but if Hitler was up against Blair in the next election I know who I'd vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I thought he was up against Blair at the last election?At least in spirit anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 They were' date=' and your sarcasm was misplaced. Fear and mistrust have always got things done. The stick rather than the carrot worked for Stalin too[/quote'] He was murdered, how does that equal success? Slaughtering millions of your own people is certainly getting things done though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexicon Devil Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I don't call slaughtering several million of your own people' date=' based on ethnicity alone, and leading your nation into a world war, which it subsequently lost with great loss of life on all sides, a stunning example of leadership."Oh but he built the autobahns and employed people..." [/quote']I agree, no matter how good he was previously, the Holocaust cancelled it all out and turned him into one of the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam 45 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 If Hitler had died before the 2nd world war he would have been hailed as one of Germany's greatest leaders...he did do great things for the country. But then i think war got to his head a bit too much and the things like Kristallnacht and the Knight of the Long Knives SLIGHTLY fucked everything up for him. He did unite German and re-energise them as a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor_dB Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Where's Hulk Hogan in all of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 If Hitler had died before the 2nd world war he would have been hailed as one of Germany's greatest leaders...he did do great things for the country. But then i think war got to his head a bit too much and the things like Kristallnacht and the Knight of the Long Knives SLIGHTLY fucked everything up for him. He did unite German and re-energise them as a country.Firstly it was the NIGHT of the Long KnivesSecondly, the Night of the Long Knives happened almost immediately after he came to power if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishbone G Posted August 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Sounds interesting. WHat was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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