Hardcore Mel Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 if PoR is allsystemsfail, then he did look pretty bored in that alley on channel 4 news, standing with all the others, kept back by the police so they couldn't get into the riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 i was away to say when did allsystemsfail get back on here????PoR = allsystemsfail maybe................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 we'll soon know if it is allsystemsfail, as he will proclaim that he is saying his last words on the matter, before reappearing two hours later to spraff yet more drivel about anarchism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Lastly' date=' dressing up as a clown and hurling park benches at cops won't get you anywhere. Reasoned intelligent debate will. And don't come with that shit about police brutality. The last thing they want is a fight. They want to do their job peacefully, get out of the shithole they have been placed in and get back to their families and living like normal people.[/quote']er the clowns were entirely peaceful and had small children with them. i thought the clown protest was a particularly inventive and peaceful way of drawing attention to a protest without resorting to violence. don't generalise all the protestors while generalising all police as peaceful family men. don't get me wrong, nothing against police but they're human and as such are going to be populated by dickheads like the rest of society. i'd hazard a guess that people constantly going on about 'well organised anarchist thugs out to destroy society'(as i'd imagine the sun might've said today, the horrific sensationalist rag that it is) would scare yer average policeman who has to stand in a rank of 50 versus 500 protestors. as a result as soon as one slightly threatening protestor gets close they produce their batons. what's more threatening a protestor asking to walk down the street to protest or a policeman who produces a solid metal rod and adopts an agressive position and then starts shouting "get back"? yes policemen are doing their job and yes there are protestors out to cause damage and violence but the police are there to protect the public and the protestors not to attack them, the tactic of containment is good but they should only use riot police and batons once there has been a violent incident not because they think there might be. riot police are terrifying, a smelly anarchist in dreads is just loud. the police are doing okay just now and i'd say scotland can be proud that we've managed to have 3 days of successful protest(yesterday was still successful, no one was seriously hurt and the majority of the protest was peaceful) with little violence and what seems to be lots of fun. it's certainly no genoa or seattle, and that's a good thing.i don't think things are helped when some aspects of the media talks up the protestors as being hardcore anarchists intent on burning the city of edinburgh to the ground when i'd bet the huge majority of protestors just want to feel part of something, they want their voices heard and they want to have a good fun safe day exercising their right to gather and protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Why do we need to turn protesting into a joyous occasion here? Live8, lets sing songs and have fun while we think about children dieing in Africa. Ok. In Bolvia when the people protested against the privatisation of the gas industry they didn't dress up in furry outfits and dance to cheese rock for change. I would go to these protests except that I would most likely be incited to violence by some hippy with died green dreadlocks telling me my belt is an affront to his beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepeep Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 we'll soon know if it is allsystemsfail' date=' as he will proclaim that he is saying his last words on the matter, before reappearing two hours later to spraff yet more drivel about anarchism.[/quote']he he, give that man an imaginary scene point (oops...sorry...shouldn't mention those things again).saw this on the BBC site, I wonder if he's been put off the smell of cooking bacon ?http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/4650645.stmthis'll keep the anarchist happy...look, a picture of a police man in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skull Commander Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 capitalist media...loveing that...oh' date=' and then they (the BBC?) run Geldof in Africa at 7.30 describing how 12 african girls had to "eat their friend alive" so they wouldn't be killed, and the wee boy who had to beat his friends brains in with a stick, in order not to have it done to himslef...oops, did that one slip through the net when "protecting their (the BBC) interests" ?...twat.go read your militant socialist and shut up.[/quote']The thread should have ended there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 i love how the guy firing the tazer is obviously loving getting to shoot his boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumpy Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 tav is right with stopping the trouble before it starts...i feel the the police have a duty to protect those who arnt involved in this "protesting"...if this means using force...im happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 tav is right with stopping the trouble before it starts...i feel the the police have a duty to protect those who arnt involved in this "protesting"...if this means using force...im happyyea? what about their duty to protect those protesting? the police are there to keep order not escalate situations and they have every responsibility to ensure safe protest which means only using force when necessary and as a last resort, not as a pre-emptive tactic. how would you like it if a moderator came round your house and smacked you in the mouth to pre-empt you posting something inflammatory on here?edit: i really really am not anti-police, i think being a policeman/woman is probably one of the hardest jobs anyone can do and those who are good at it deserve our utmost respect but i just don't think it's as cut and dry as using force to keep the general public safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 I agree with dave, more power to moderaters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lepeep Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 i love how the guy firing the tazer is obviously loving getting to shoot his boss.I must admit, I didn't see his face before...what does that say ?...hehe, he looks right happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumpy Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 yea? what about their duty to protect those protesting? the police are there to keep order not escalate situations and they have every responsibility to ensure safe protest which means only using force when necessary and as a last resort' date=' not as a pre-emptive tactic. how would you like it if a moderator came round your house and smacked you in the mouth to pre-empt you posting something inflammatory on here?edit: i really really am not anti-police, i think being a policeman/woman is probably one of the hardest jobs anyone can do and those who are good at it deserve our utmost respect but i just don't think it's as cut and dry as using force to keep the general public safe.[/quote']protesters are there under their own accord and if they get so caught up in it i think its their own fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 I think you should nominate chewbacca to speak for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 protesters are there under their own accord and if they get so caught up in it i think its their own faultthey have a right to be there!! everyone has a right to gather and protest!! it's essential to democracy! it's not their fault if they get hurt unless they incite violence themselves, the police have a duty to protect those involved in peaceful protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 what happened in stirling this morning seems to be the start of the more militant protests. obviously i'm not going to defend what happened there, though the blockades of the motorways was quite good. seems it's backfired on the protestors as there are now reports that the police may have to cancel the organised protest as the fire cover is stuck in stirling just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tav Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 they have a right to be there!! everyone has a right to gather and protest!! it's essential to democracy! it's not their fault if they get hurt unless they incite violence themselves' date=' the police have a duty to protect those involved in peaceful protest.[/quote']They do...they also have to contain those who choose not to peacefully protest. As long as people distance them selves from trouble there shouldn't be any problem? The police are there to protect everyone...even those being violent to a degree.Protesting can be a great idea but the amount disruption and money that is pumped into it can be quite worrying. Also how many protests does one city need within a week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 fighting the cops might be fun but it def wont change anything the thing that bothers me is that the media seem to label ALL protesters as a hardcore minority of anarchistsin reality they are activists who probably just represent the sharp end a hugely dissaffected but apathetic society thats just too numb to give a fuckI couldnt choose a side on this one, but I can see where the need to resort to violence comes in for some people, given that the world leaders dont listen to the people that gave them the power**if you, like me, reckon that the democratic process is a sick joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Violence is for people too stupid to discuss something rationally.Violence should only ever be used as a form of defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 a post on the indymedia website by someone on a g8alternatives bus says police boarded their bus in edinburgh to tell them the g8alternatives march has been cancelled(no official announcement yet) but that they would be allowed to leave anyway. their bus was surrounded by police as soon as they set off but they have no idea where they are going to. police have also set up camp outside the indymedia centre in edinburgh and are conducting stop and search on anyone approaching it. so they seem to be trying to restrict the number of protestors who turn up already and to restrict the independent media reporting as well. nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray@ladymercedes Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 So we call them anarchists? If this was Eastern Europe, we would be calling them rebels in a country on the brink of civil war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tav Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 so they seem to be trying to restrict the number of protestors who turn up already and to restrict the independent media reporting as well. nice.Well if you want safety? Obviously something has sparked this? I don't really like the way that article is written...it is trying to put the police in a bad light from the word go. "Surrounded by police" and "and not knowing where we are being taken" the connotations it is trying stir in your mind are quite obvious...the thing that bothers me is that the media seem to label ALL protesters as a hardcore minority of anarchistsI don't think they do at all <is it possible to label everyone a hardcore minority...?>. There was a lot of coverage of just how good the protests were on Saturday and Sunday. Where Monday in concerned they had a senior police officer on speaking about how one protest went very well as it always does and then speaking about how a minority spoiled the Edinburgh one. From what I have seen the media have been quite fair in their reporting...you have to remember that people are quite capable of understanding whats written in papers/put on TV...I suppose it depends on what media you choose to take your information from.So we call them anarchists? If this was Eastern Europe' date=' we would be calling them rebels in a country on the brink of civil war.[/quote']One important point here...we aren't eastern europe and we are not on the brink of a civil war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Well if you want safety? yea i know, they were always going to restrict the numbers that arrive but they're stopping the official g8alternatives buses that were organised to take the initial protestors to the site. it's restricted to 5000 and thereafter the police said they would restrict numbers not before that was reached. the g8alternatives march is the official organised march with police co-ordination yet they're spreading confusion by telling those on their way not to bother because it's cancelled. if it had been cancelled they would've had to have announced something well before now otherwise there'll be certain mass rioting in auchterarder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
framheim Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 One important point here...we aren't eastern europe and we are not on the brink of a civil war?hehe, interesting that you chose to phrase that as a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tav Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 I was more questioning what he said rather than what you may be implying. I think this whole shizbang isn't quite going how it should...as I said before protesting against people in power who have come together to talk about ways in which they can sort out poverty/environmental issues(*) etc. doesn't add up in my mind...protesting to make sure they do something is great...protesting against the G8 as an entity that could do good...I don't understand that.*Why isn't this getting as much coverage as Africa? In the end it could be the thing that kills us all. Did anyone see George Bush interview with Trevor MacDonald...the way he was speaking about placing their economy first over improvements in air quality...bah! The technology is available but no doubt there are forces at work preventing Hydrogen cars etc. being afordable/available) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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