I agree with you on all points. I personally can't see England having any capable spinners until the ideology of County Cricket changes. I just don't think there's a lot of confidence in spinners, so much so, that pace always takes priority and the national test side suffers. Tufnell was good, you're right, but the dedication wasn't there. Smoking grass, and ladies always catching his eye... makes me laugh. My friend read that Tufnell was once fielding out near the boundry in a match, he saw a lady in the crowd wave at him, so thought to himself "This match is boring," and went into the crowd to speak to her. God, I hope that is true! So Rob, is the Bassment showing the Ashes on a big screen?! C'mon you and I could be the only ones watching, in beards, with cricket jumpers, cheering "Riiiiichhhhiee" everytime Benaud's says "What a ripper!", ho ho. I miss playing cricket. (urrrg, Ponting just made 50)