The Milner Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 is there anything you support that doesn't involve people being banned in some description or another? Now watch or you'll be the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Now watch or you'll be the next one why? whats the mighty Prince of the Pretentious Hobbes gonna do? go and arrange a protest march about it? can't wait to see the "BAN FLOSSIE" placards!best wishes,El Flosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 why? whats the mighty Prince of the Pretentious Hobbes gonna do? go and arrange a protest march about it? can't wait to see the "BAN FLOSSIE" placards!best wishes' date='El Flosso [/quote']Its maybe not what he will do, but more what the league of protection he has on this place will do.You have been warned!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawy Lawson:Attorney Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Jesus, you hippies and Thatcher-youth are as bad as each other.Hippies, go smoke a joint.Thatcher Youth, go kick a tramp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Jesus' date=' you hippies and Thatcher-youth are as bad as each other.Hippies, go smoke a joint.Thatcher Youth, go kick a tramp.[/quote']or combine the two and set fire to a tramp and smoke it;)however if you combine a hippie and a Thatcher Youth, you get Tony Blair;)best wishes,El Flosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawy Lawson:Attorney Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 or combine the two and set fire to a tramp and smoke it;)however if you combine a hippie and a Thatcher Youth' date=' you get Tony Blair;)best wishes,El Flosso [/quote']Don't you take my posts and make them better, son. It's disprespectful. Or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Don't you take my posts and make them better' date=' son. It's disprespectful. Or something.[/quote']i am not your son, i am your father and to prove it, here's a picture of me so you can see the family resemblance for yourselfuse the force son! best wishesDarth Flosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawy Lawson:Attorney Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 i am not your son' date=' i am your father and to prove it, here's a picture of me so you can see the family resemblance for yourself[img']http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/cinema/artigos/star_wars/vader.jpguse the force son! best wishesDarth Flosso That's a good picture of Vader. Love the pointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neubeatz Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Well I see all the conscientious intelligencia collected in the wasteland as usual... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaTsunami Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 i'm siding with Mr. Tristen on the un-obstructive protest thingy. I may not be able to use big words and fancy political theories to back up my beliefs...but i when i see something like that i just think 'wow...common sense.'. the idea of blocking traffic to express your views is just stupid. fair enough if the buses were full of NF marchers but they won't be. in fact i'll probably be on one...on my way back from the bus station after a fantastic weekend in edinburgh that i'd rather not have spoiled by having to wait in piles of traffic on my return home. i like the idea of a march/protest being constructive rather than obstructive. I've e-mailed the local counsellors with my objection to the march, given them full permission to show my objection to the police and the NF with name and address (not including flat number) attached. but if they let the march go ahead i'll be part of no counter protest on the day because although we'd rather it didn't happen, one asshole is all it takes to tar us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawy Lawson:Attorney Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Well I see all the conscientious intelligencia collected in the wasteland as usual...Huh.Sorry if I was being flippant, but I'm tired of seeing the same people argue the same topic on here and actually losing the point of whats important: Stopping asshats assuming power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 the mentality of some Aberdonians confuses me sometimes, people in Seaton and King Street complain in their droves to counsellors about the noise emanating from concerts at Pittodrie Stadium featuring dreadful performers like Rod Stewart and Elton John but don't complain to counsellors in quite the same vociferous way about nazis walking through their streets promoting hatred and violenceokay, the music Rod Stewart and Elton John is offensive but surely Nazis are more offensive no? best wishes,El Flosso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 An obstructive anti-NF protest will just give the NF march more publicity and taint the message of the anti-fascist protestors. Surely a peaceful sit-down on the grass outside Marischal college would be enough to get the message across?I wanna do that! Since I'll be up at Marischal all day.While I agree with the principals of this protest' date=' I also agree with the people who raised the point that causing more disruption for the traffic on Aberdeen just takes away the point completely.Anyone up for a sit down protest? [/color'] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 i don't think a sit down protest is the answer, there's no chance those pensioners will be able to get back up in fact, does anyone want to campaign against these senior citizens making our lives hell? not only do they moan constantly about everything, but now they're resorting to disrupting our lives. i think i'm going to write to the council and ask them to ban old people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 We'll have to ban you then and your leopard print thong.Go on Michael, come and do a sit down protest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 why? whats the mighty Prince of the Pretentious Hobbes gonna do? go and arrange a protest march about it? can't wait to see the "BAN FLOSSIE" placards!best wishes' date='El Flosso [/quote']Nah, marching would involve exercise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 God' date=' more hippys disrupting the flow of society...[/quote']Bill Knight and those of the Senior Citizens Forum hippies? Members of the Trades Council hippies? Instead of throwing around baseless insults, I suggest you come along. Come along to a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 That would be Bill KnightAnd I'm sure when many pensioners were defending the Jews in the 40's they weren't subjected to idiots wondering 'what the fuck they're playing at'...These people have seen first hand what fascism can do when it goes unopposed and unchecked.Just be mindful...Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 As far as I'm concerned protestors should get a nice spray with a riot truck hose. Let me tell you a little story...Back about a year and a half ago I was studying in Glasgow. Glasgow got one of the really big Anti-war protests which happened throughout the course of the day in a big square. Now I had people down visiting me and a couple of uni friends with me and we'd all arranged to go out and meet up for lunch in a pub on that square. Got there only to find the place was absoultely packed with drunk protestors shouting and generally being a complete pain in the ass. Anyway we were forced to cancel out lunch plans (not very fair I think) and decided to go somewhere else (not fair on the pub owners). We left and watched the protest - wasn't *too* bad... noisy but atleast tame enough' date=' apart from some twats with a megaphone. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldnt a megaphone count as disruptive behaviour by the sheer volume of it?? So we wandered around, listened to what some people were saying. Then we noticed that the traffic was piled back for several blocks. We decided to speak to some of the people caught up in it. We went up to a car and knocked on the window. The guy rolled it down and we asked him more about himself and the situation. Basically the guy was a doctor who was on his way home from a 12 hour shift, he had flowers in the car for his wife to celebrate their wedding aniversary, the meal for which she'd prepared was now going cold back home. He'd been stuck in that jam for over and hour. Now he himself was opposed to the war but instead chose to spend his day working hard. What right did any of those protestors have to hold that man hostage? And thats what he was. He couldnt leave his car and he couldn't go on. At this stage some cars behind him tried to mount the square and drive across to the other side which was clear, but some random ladys surrounded them and refused to let them move. We actually removed the people in question and allowed the cars to continue. Over the next hour we saw a bus pelted with eggs and cans so that the driver had to abandon the bus and leave on foot, hundreds of cars bought to a halt, bus routes screwed which Im sure made people late for work etc not to mention disruption to the neighbouring pubs and houses.Basically protestors are selfish bastards. If you want to protest while doing something USEFUL go and clean up a beach or tidy up a park or plant some trees or SOMETHING which isn't a selfish excuse to run riot and feel betters about yourselves.[/quote']Selfish? Sure, those whose compassion for others forced them to act, forced them to take action. While I understand your concern, it is quite wrong to damn the anti-war movement (and in fact all political activists) due to one incident. Also, many of those active in political struggle ARE active in the their communities. Certainly, the folks with whom I have had personal contact are. Me? Well, it's funny that you should raise conservation work, coz I was (over a lengthy period) involved in numerous such projects - tree planting just one. Are you yourself active in projects of this kind, or are active in community work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I am sure most people that go to these things are well intentioned' date=' but its all so misguided. Disruption of the lives/routines of people who have nothing to do with the problem is not the way to go about doing things. I was also in Amsterdam at much the same time and there were some, though much lesser protests there. The group we saw went to a kind of barren grass area by the side of a road and spend two days building a park there with benches and a little fountain and plaque dedicated to peaceful conflict resolution.Surely you agree something like that is a much better way? Hell I would be [b']impressed if you all went and did something like that.While I would commend the work of those who constructed such an area, do you seriously believe such a thing can stop bloody conflict, make Blair and Bush think again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Selfish? Sure' date=' those whose compassion for others forced them to act, forced them to take action. Also, many of those active in political struggle are active in the their communities.[/quote']Oh dear, I thought we had seen the end of your ill-informed rubbish being posted on here? Don't fret though, I'm quite glad, I have a few minutes before I have to go to work and now atleast they can be mildly entertaining. Firstly you are not morally superior to anyone else, you merely have different beliefs. It is important to remember this because of where we live. I hate to pull out the Blairite response but "you're just lucky you're in a country where you can have your protest" Now I don't mean this as Tony boy does, I am not undermining your views, all that I am saying is that rights are universal and your class warrior antics does not make you some sort of moral crusader with the special rights to impede on someone elses freedom. I'm a fairly left wing socialist, I completely disagree with NF policies, but I am not going to disagree with their right to speak as we do. I'm sure you took part in that anti-war protest, how would you have felt had you been denied your right to do so. Don't give me any shite about popular consensus, lots of people supported the Nazi's that didn't make it right. It is impossible for anyone to be impartial in politics therefor everyone must be allowed to speak. What exactly are you afraid of? That they might reach the people you've failed to reach in all your years of activism? This march should have been a laughing stock, but you idiots have made sure that it will recieve massive publicity. If I wasn't working I would go to this demonstration of yours and laugh at you all. And people wonder why liberals are never taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 It was in the paper that they intended on blocking Broad Street - I'll need to find it' date=' but it was something along the lines of (as a quote from this Bill chap) "we will stop the buses getting through".I'm intending on going along and seeing for myself first hand what happening. As far as I'm concerned, if they're intent on using force to break the NF, then they're contributing to the problem of fascism - after all, everything I've seen written about fascism suggests that it's prone to using force to achieve their goals, which is exactly what these "United Against Fascism" chaps are doing. Personally, if the pensioners went and made lives *better* for people, then they'd attract much more publicity? imagine the reaction..."Aberdeen United Against Fascism choose today to make a positive contribution to people's lives, by helping in the community in many different ways."..much better publicity than "they choose to block off Broad Street in a fit of anti-fascism".where the hell is that copy of the EE with the article in, bah.[/quote']If the NF march is not permitted, Aberdeen United Against Fascism (having like the NF made an application to march) still hope to march on Nov. 28th. It is hoped that such an march will be a celebration of Aberdeen's ethnic and cultural diversity, and will become an annual event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimr Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 While I would commend the work of those who constructed such an area' date=' do you seriously believe such a thing can stop bloody conflict, make Blair and Bush think again?[/quote']Oh yeah you stopped the war in Iraq didn't you, well done...oh wait, you didn't, good try though chum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Surely if they're pacifists' date=' then they should stop the violence?it's a sad fact of life that in this country, there's a history of marches and protests turning violent and ugly.[/quote']And so because of isolated scuffles, and yes, the occasional ruck, all marches should not be permitted? The majority of people who protest, do so peacefully. Would you deny them this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 But do you not see the point that a left wing organisation motives could just be as bad as a right wing organisations? Living in a socialist state sounds like utter hell to me - does that give me valid grounds to oppose socialists marching? I believe not - they're entitled to march by law' date=' hence it's not for me to stop - it's their beliefs, after all. Stopping buses and traffic from getting through sounds pretty damn violent to me - if I could drive, I'd love to try and drive through the protest just to see the reaction...why do i get the feeling my car would be attacked? [/quote']What is it with you and the left?A sit-down protest violent? What physical harm is caused? You'd love to drive through the protest? Rather violent no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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