Delboy1969 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) to be fair Brazil looked fine until that first goal and once they conceded they just fell to bits. I would taken the experience of Ronaldinho, Robinho and Kaka, getting on I know but fuck me they couldn't have been any worse!# Time to change my avatar! Edited July 9, 2014 by Delboy1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/486597297824747520 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/486599081351843840 And another. Sound logic too. "He has to eventually". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 There's a woman I work with who is a uefa qualified coach.B licence I think. She has taught a lot of kids and worked with a lot of clubs in England. Today I overheard her saying to someone that Brazil lost because they didn't care enough, had no fight and no heart. I din't say anything but to me it's pretty obvious that those things are all some Brazilian players did have. This is only one anecdote but I find it funny / worrying that someone teaching English youngsters can't spot the obvious tactical and organisational causes for the defeat and jumps straight to the conclusion that they needed to fight more. I may also just be posting this because she annoyed me a bit today and this a way of moaning about her. Anyway almost game time. I hope this one is still competitive in an hour's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 I hope there is 8 goals again. 5-3 to the Dutch, with loads of Robben dives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fantastic match so far. Idiot pundits think it's boring because there's been no goals of course. As entertaining as the tournament has been there haven't been many matches between two quality well organised sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Good game. Both teams look solid off the ball. Argentina look more capable of getting behind the Dutch. Lavezzi is a threat on the right. Holland's possession is good, but they're not really causing a problem with it. Dirk Kuyt is a machine. I hope he scores the winner, with a deflection off of his horrible face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Ron Vlaar has been immovable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Second half wasn't as good but Extra time is going to be TENSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy1969 Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Some absolute world class defending by both sides which is making this a most intriguing match. Penalties it is then! Rooting for the Dutch! Edited July 9, 2014 by Delboy1969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl PhD Posted July 9, 2014 Report Share Posted July 9, 2014 Fantastic ploy by van Gaal to get his worst penalty taker taking the first penalty. The man's a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Delboy1969 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Apparently it was all Sir Mick Jagger's fault why Brazil were so bad on Tuesday evening since every team the ageing rock star has supported has got beat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Fantastic ploy by van Gaal to get his worst penalty taker taking the first penalty. The man's a genius. Apparently he was the only one who would take the first pen, everyone else bottled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl PhD Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Apparently he was the only one who would take the first pen, everyone else bottled it. The point though is that he should have got one of his main penalty takers to take the first one. If Vlaar needed to take one it should have been later - preferably fifth. Having someone miss the first penalty really set the tone for what followed and put more pressure on the others. Van Gaal should have got one of Sneijder, Robben, Kuyt or Huntelaar to take the first one and then if Vlaar needed to take one it should have been at the end if necessary. Holland didn't even need their fifth penalty taker in the previous shoot out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 The point though is that he should have got one of his main penalty takers to take the first one. If Vlaar needed to take one it should have been later - preferably fifth. Having someone miss the first penalty really set the tone for what followed and put more pressure on the others. Van Gaal should have got one of Sneijder, Robben, Kuyt or Huntelaar to take the first one and then if Vlaar needed to take one it should have been at the end if necessary. Holland didn't even need their fifth penalty taker in the previous shoot out. Aye, but from what he has said, his big pen takers would not step up to take the first one, he chose Vlar because he played well, and indicated he would take the first pen. You cant force players to step up and take one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl PhD Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Aye, but from what he has said, his big pen takers would not step up to take the first one, he chose Vlar because he played well, and indicated he would take the first pen. You cant force players to step up and take one. All I've read is that he asked two other players to take the first penalty and they refused, not that these were the 'big four' penalty takers (I guess they were players who weren't wanting to take any penalties). I can't fathom why any of those would have refused to take the first penalty but were fine taking any of the others. Was Robben really saying 'I'm fine taking the second penalty but don't make me take the first'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 He probably should have kept Van Persie on for the shootout, even though he was having a bit of a stinker, and shouldn't have even played due to illness apparently. He'd still have dispatched his penalty though. He wouldn't have been too tired from all that walking around that he did. The players do what the manager says. He should have made a strong taker go first. You have to start strong. Missing the first one is a massive blow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Owl PhD Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 He probably should have kept Van Persie on for the shootout, even though he was having a bit of a stinker, and shouldn't have even played due to illness apparently. He'd still have dispatched his penalty though. He wouldn't have been too tired from all that walking around that he did. The players do what the manager says. He should have made a strong taker go first. You have to start strong. Missing the first one is a massive blow. I agree, though I think maybe he should have started the match with Huntelaar given van Persie's illness (plus that he had both Vlaar and de Jong carrying injuries and Martins Indi is a red card waiting to happen). It also begs the question of why he has Cillesen in goal in the first place. Would Krul or Vorm have been so much worse in the match that it's worth taking up a substitute to replace Cillesen when penalties come? In the end Cillesen was left with a big sign above his head saying 'My manager thinks I'm no good at saving penalties'. That probably didn't help. Van Gaal has done well to get the Netherlands to the semi-final but I think he took too many risks with his selection and that was borne out in how the penalties went. That was a result of poor decisions he made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Van Persie had a pretty rubbish tournament in general except the wonder header in the first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Did RVP even touch the ball in the second half? He has done very little outwith the first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Easy Wishes Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Robin has been pretty poor this World Cup. Apart from in the first game, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Jerk Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I agree, though I think maybe he should have started the match with Huntelaar given van Persie's illness (plus that he had both Vlaar and de Jong carrying injuries and Martins Indi is a red card waiting to happen). It also begs the question of why he has Cillesen in goal in the first place. Would Krul or Vorm have been so much worse in the match that it's worth taking up a substitute to replace Cillesen when penalties come? In the end Cillesen was left with a big sign above his head saying 'My manager thinks I'm no good at saving penalties'. That probably didn't help. Van Gaal has done well to get the Netherlands to the semi-final but I think he took too many risks with his selection and that was borne out in how the penalties went. That was a result of poor decisions he made. I agree about Cillessen. Krul and Vorm are both good keepers. I'd put Krul just ahead of Vorm, though I don't know much about Cillessen other than he's not first choice at Ajax. They seem to have a jobshare going on between their goalkeepers. I think he's looked a little ropey throughout the tournament. It's strange to see a penalty shootout hero being dropped for the next game. I thought Krul had earned a starting place. He won them the game. The goalkeepers rarely have pressure going into a shootout, but Cillessen did, because of the previous game, which paid off at the time. He should have gone with Krul again, so he could trashtalk Messi and co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain America Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I think I read Cillessen only broke into the first team in like October, probably Van Gaal trying to blood the future goalkeeper seeing as they all seemed quite equal in terms of ability. Might as well give the young guy the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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