rune Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Everyone should read this sitehttp://www.downhillbattle.org/It tells you the real deal with those fucking bigger record lables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Craig_HexPen* Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 have you read "the problem with music" (or its something like that ) by Steve Albini? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Major labels are the only way forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbore Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 major labels are the only reason i play music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkster Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 So whats the point playin music if your only wantin a big fat cheque at the end of it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris h Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 The steve albini article is called 'Some of Your Friends are Already this Fucked', I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Major labels are the only way forwardWhat? How'd you figure that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 major labels are the only reason i play music.Sure, most folks will have discovered music via major label releases. However, we need not support them, and can successfully produce music without them. Majors exist only to exploit and profit from popular music tastes. They have no interest in the bands or individual artists they sign - in their ideas, their music. They seek only to maximize profits, the bands just product. Major labels? Fuck 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 The steve albini article is called 'Some of Your Friends are Already this Fucked'' date=' I think.[/quote']The article can be found here: http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/It appeared (with other columns that you'll also find) in issue 133 of US punk bible MAXIMUMROCKNROLL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabags Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 hence the use of "THe Watering Down of Hardcore" by Chris Bickel as the intro to the Filthpact CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 The article can be found here: http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/It appeared (with other columns that you'll also find) in issue 133 of US punk bible MAXIMUMROCKNROLL.that article is very true (verified by a few people I know who have been ''signed up'') and has been around for a while....and is one of quite a few reasons I piss myself laughing when some wide eyed mental case comes out with....''we're gonna get signed'' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Like any other business deal if you go into it with your eyes opened and some clue as tyo how it works then you'll be OK. Without major labels there would never be the distribution process in place to help the smaller independant. If you ran your own business you wouldn't walk into it without knowing what you were talking about why shopuld it be any different with signing to a major ? it's the same as another employment contract they're out to get the best they can get out of you for the least outlay, if you don't like it then fine, but they're no more evil than any other major company. The artists should check out what they're getting into before signing anything, but most don't, the biggest change is that musicians wanting to play on the major stage have to have some business sense now or a manager who has it, its no longer enough to be good at music, or what you do, but thats not that unusual in any business nowadays.CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael MacLennan Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 There's no point playing music unless you want to be on a major label Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 There's no point playing music unless you want to be on a major labelThat's crap, there's no point in trying to be rich unless you're going to sign to a major but people play music for the love of it, it's a priority issue, money or music, if you're lucky you'll be able to sign to a major and get both. they are a means to an end, a necessary evil if you're against them, i personally have no problem with them at all.CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 hence the use of "THe Watering Down of Hardcore" by Chris Bickel as the intro to the Filthpact CD.Exactly. Cool track by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Like any other business deal if you go into it with your eyes opened and some clue as tyo how it works then you'll be OK. Without major labels there would never be the distribution process in place to help the smaller independant. If you ran your own business you wouldn't walk into it without knowing what you were talking about why shopuld it be any different with signing to a major ? it's the same as another employment contract they're out to get the best they can get out of you for the least outlay' date=' if you don't like it then fine, but they're no more evil than any other major company. The artists should check out what they're getting into before signing anything, but most don't, the biggest change is that musicians wanting to play on the major stage have to have some business sense now or a manager who has it, its no longer enough to be good at music, or what you do, but thats not that unusual in any business nowadays.CheersStuart[/quote']Regarding distribution, I have to disagree. The DIY punk community has shown that distribution (in the hands of the kids themselves) can be extensive, reaching out across the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 There's no point playing music unless you want to be on a major labelUtter nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 the only thing that would make me think twice about signing to a major label would be how many albums they wanted cos that can really screw you over when you just start making albums just so you can get away from the label. but bands have to grow start with the indies and then if you are fortunate to be that good then it would be a crime not to be bigger and let more people out there here your greatnesstheres nothing wrong with bands signing on to majorsand folk who are shouting 'sell outs' were never true fans in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allsystemsfail Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 theres nothing wrong with bands signing on to majorsand folk who are shouting 'sell outs' were never true fans in the first place.So I guess folks such as myself, and the thousands of others involved in the DIY punk underground, have no genuine interest in the bands we go see? Many believe (quite correctly) a band jumping to a major a betrayal - a betrayal of the scene's politics - the ethics central to its cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Regarding distribution' date=' I have to disagree. The DIY punk community has shown that distribution (in the hands of the kids themselves) can be extensive, reaching out across the world.[/quote']Which is using the models created previously by the major labels, I'd argue that now with the internet distribution for the smaller label is now stronger than ever, but prior to that, apart from word of mouth which was never enough to create a real impact then. Extensive distribution is easy but creating a stable distribution network requires money and people committed to doing that fulltime, we've sold cds worldwide but it isn't distribution, you can't go into a major store in any decent sized town in the UK and find our material. Distribution to specialist stores is one thing but to the mainstream is another. You may be right about a distribution network being in place for the DIY punk community but it was never far reaching enough to make enough of an impact as to rival the majors distribution.You are right that there was/is a smaller distroibtuion network in place, but i shoudl have said without majors there wouldn't be effective distribution to allow for chart positions, high slaes and major success, CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 So I guess folks such as myself' date=' and the thousands of others involved in the DIY punk underground, have no genuine interest in the bands we go see? Many believe (quite correctly) a band jumping to a major a betrayal - a betrayal of the scene's politics - the ethics central to its cause.[/quote']Its stupid to judge someone for being a success in their chosen field, if you believe in your music, and that its powerfull and helps people, what's wrong with getting the music to a wider audience. Any scene which actively discourages people to be the best they can and reach as many people as possible seems to be a self defeating scene. The 'scene's politics' seems a silly phrase what does that have to do with creating music for individuals who enjoy it ? the 'scene's cause' ? Music is and always should be primarily a form of entertainment, there shouldn't be causes that stop you fulfilling your potential. Any sceene that stops people achieveing what they could to proivide well for themselves and their family and make a living out of it seems to me to be encompassing everything that is bad, holding people back because of misplaced ethics. I know this is all my opinion but it seems like the bands who started the 'ethics ' in the scene were probably never going to make it, so in order to be big fish in a small pond is to make everyone think that being a success is a bad thing. All just my opinion, but as i said any scene that discourages people being a success and making the most money and impact they can is bound to eventually destroy itself as there is no ambition to reach bigger/higher audiences, as time goes on people will drift away from liove shows as they're doing already and people won't be able to make a living on such small setups and eventually they'll have to look to other ways to finance what they're doing which will probably mean going part time and eventually many of the bands will fade and die. At least thats how i see it,CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eat your parents Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 downhillbattle.org is ace. I have supported the resistence.As for the discussion, I can't be bothered. I only play music to read the ironic posts on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 So I guess folks such as myself' date=' and the thousands of others involved in the DIY punk underground, have no genuine interest in the bands we go see? Many believe (quite correctly) a band jumping to a major a betrayal - a betrayal of the scene's politics - the ethics central to its cause.[/quote']who gives a fuck about politics??theres too much of this bull shit out there you see it as betrayal i see it as growth.and its a sad day when you stop liking a band just cos they've out grown the under ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skacel Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Can't you just enjoy the music without worrying about the ethics?if i like music then i listen to it no matter if its on a major or undergroundi wouldn't cut my nose off to spite my face. as the saying goes.as long as you enjoy it then it doesnt matter about the politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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