Dicelines Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Hi there,Dicelines is a promotions company based in Glasgow, but are branching out to places like Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Have a look at our website (www.dicelines.com) and see what bands we are putting on and have put on beforehand.In the past, we have put on the like of Arctic Monkeys, Maximo Park, 65 Days Of static and Pitchshifter to name but a few! Our agenda is to continue helping bands reach the same level of success (well, almost!) through promoting bands in their early stages, hopefully helping them onto better things. Is this of any interest to you? Then please dont hesitate to get in touch:You can reach me via brian@dicelines.com or send a demo to Dicelines Promotions 24a Argyle Court, 1103 Argyle street Glasgow G3 8NDWe hope to hear from you soon!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MDP Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 remember and enter your gigs on www.gcguide.co.uk :up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzHines Posted July 25, 2006 Report Share Posted July 25, 2006 Did you book the Arctic Monkeys pre being massive or post?What sort of fee's do you take from bands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicelines Posted July 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 We booked Arctic Monkeys, pre-massive. But you could say we contributed to their eventual success aswell as building their fanbase north of the border!additionally, dicelines dont do pay to play, it is a split from the ticket sales.If you have any further questions drop us a line at brian@dicelines.comCheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DustyDeviada Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Emma Forman and I have done a couple of Dicelines gigs now, one in Glasgow and one at The Tunnels on Saturday with Stanley, and Dicelines have been great to deal with both times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 dicelines dont do pay to play' date=' it is a split from the ticket sales.[/quote']so its a case of "sell tickets for us or you dont get paid"do you have anybody based in aberdeen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DustyDeviada Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 so its a case of "sell tickets for us or you dont get paid"Fair enough I reckon, the more people you bring, the more you get paid. Also means that the bands who bring more people get a fairer share of the cash than if it's just split up between everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camie Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Am I right in assuming that the rule only applies to local bands because it would be quite hard(although not impossible) for an out of town band to sell tickets to people in Aberdeen.Anyway good luck with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 Fair enough I reckon' date=' the more people you bring, the more you get paid. Also means that the bands who bring more people get a fairer share of the cash than if it's just split up between everyone.[/quote']ora guy gets other people to do his job for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 so its a case of "sell tickets for us or you dont get paid"They're not the first to go down this road in Aberdeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FezMonkey Posted July 26, 2006 Report Share Posted July 26, 2006 I was speaking to one of the guys from an Aberdeen band who played for DiceLines last week, and apparently they didn't even get their tickets until 3 days before the gig.I don't know whether this was the fault of the band or the promoter though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 28, 2006 Report Share Posted July 28, 2006 We've played one gig like that and now simply won't play a "sell to get paid" gig ever again. For some bizarre reason all our band members have full-time jobs and their own lives so don't have the time to sell tickets.Full time jobs to support your playing in the band? whatever next? I'm more than happy to help out with postering and online promotion but selling tickets is gash. There's simply no excuse for it if the promoter does their job properly. It's also completely ridiculous to expect an out of town band to sell tickets imho.I don't think you're alone in thinking that it's ridiculous for out of town bands to sell their own tickets. I don't think it's right or fair to even consider asking them - surely the point is that they're out of town and need every bit of help they can get? And yes, I completely agree that getting bands to sell tickets in order for payment is utterly ridiculous. It's becoming more and more common here and it reeks of laziness - simply put, any promoter with a decent understanding of advertising and promotion shouldn't ever need to require ticket sales from bands in order to pay them.I don't see anything wrong with asking bands if they'd like to sell a few tickets - but if they can't sell tickets, it shouldn't be held against them.Good on KBK for refusing to play these types of scams/gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Fair enough I reckon' date=' the more people you bring, the more you get paid. Also means that the bands who bring more people get a fairer share of the cash than if it's just split up between everyone.[/quote']A band with not too many friends, or friends who aren't interested in going to gigs, plays a half hour set.A band with a load of friends who like going to gigs, plays a half hour set.Band A gets nothing, or very little. Band B gets a lot.Fair? Not in the slightest.It also almost guarantees that the gig will be a 'playing to your mates' type affair, which although fun, is a little pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DustyDeviada Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Or on the other hand if you are a good band and build up a decent following you will do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Or on the other hand if you are a good band and build up a decent following you will do better.Whether you're a good band or not doesn't matter, thats entirely subjective and for the sake of this argument doesn't really come into play. The fact is each band would presumably be playing for the same amount of time, all (again, presumably) spending time and money practising beforehand, carrying/transporting equipment to and from the venue, etc, so why should they then have to sell tickets in order to stand a chance of making the slightest bit of money back?Bands generally put in a lot of work for gigs, without having to then become salesmen for said gigs on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DustyDeviada Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I just genuinely don't care about how much money I get from gigs, I really don't do it for the money, I just like playing. For what it's worth I prefer not having to sell tickets and stuff, mainly because I usually sell very few tickets and then end up feeling embarassed.But at the end of the day I just like to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_matter Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I agree with dusty deviada, I like playing for the fun of it, anyway we tend to not get paid because we're younger and the venue/promoter comes up with some excuse every time. It's not a problem though, what is a pain is having to constantly be selling tickets for gigs etc. That's a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DustyDeviada Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 Hmm, don't like the sound of that, I've never not been paid when I should have been. That's pretty shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam 45 Posted August 5, 2006 Report Share Posted August 5, 2006 I agree with dusty deviada' date=' I like playing for the fun of it, anyway we tend to not get paid because we're younger and the venue/promoter comes up with some excuse every time. It's not a problem though, what is a pain is having to constantly be selling tickets for gigs etc. That's a pain.[/quote']What venues have said that? Let me guess, Kef? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeinzHines Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Rf is correct yo!It is unfair treatment to only get paid on your ticket sales, its fucking bollocks and shouldnt be like that.As for not getting paid at all, sometimes it happens if you are helping out a mate etc....if not, then you should be paid regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_matter Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 What venues have said that? Let me guess' date=' Kef?[/quote']eh yes, surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewarden Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 eh yes' date=' surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality. [/quote']Doesnt matter how old you are the money you will get at gigs will usually get your petrol money and thats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_matter Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 Doesnt matter how old you are the money you will get at gigs will usually get your petrol money and thats about it.Call me a dreamer but I was hoping to make a living out of gigging and music in the future lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 eh yes' date=' surprisingly. We tried to get paid on 3 different occasions but didn't. It's not a problem at all to be honest, it's not as if i rely on the money as i'm still young but it'll be a problem in the future. Pay for gigs to us is more of a bonus than a normality. [/quote']What kind of rubbish did they feed you? Kef are utterly notorious for not paying people despite promises to the contary - and sadly, because they don't write anything down in that respect, you can't force them to pay a penny.Personally, if I was playing a Kef gig (like I ever would..), I wouldn't hand over a penny of the ticket money until I'd taken my agreed payment from it - that way, they can't fuck you over with payment as you've still got a fair bit of their money in your possession.Best not to play there at all, though.And by the way - please, please don't regard pay as a bonus rather than normality. If you do that, you're playing into the hands of greedy promoters who see local bands as a resource to be exploited rather than rewarded.Bands generally put in a lot of work for gigs' date=' without having to then become salesmen for said gigs on top of that.[/quote']Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the promoter "sell" the gig rather than the band as such? It depends on the exact setup - but to only pay bands on the basis of ticket sales is nothing more than blatant profiteering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF Scott Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I will correct you if you're wrong - you didn't read what I typed! Read it again! I said bands SHOULDN'T be salesmen for gigs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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