Hog Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 *removed link*Just a wee sample of new Element stuff (without vocals). I think the guitars are slightly quiet. Suppose this should be on the feedback forum but Im not really after opinions on if its a shite song or not (yes you Maxi). More on if it needs compression, mastering things etc.Cheers Hog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeid Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 If I were to be honest, I'd say the snare wasn't really cutting through that well(for me anyway) and the guitars definately need boosted in the mix a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam 45 Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Yeah more drive is needed with the guitars. Kool riff on 47 seconds, did Jamesy write that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 Yeah more drive is needed with the guitars. Kool riff on 47 seconds' date=' did Jamesy write that one?[/quote']Nope, I wrote it the majority of the song but James (or Jimmer as he is now as hehe) has come out with some awesome riffs for future tunes.Ok, more guitar, good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'm not 100% happy with my playing on that. I'm very fussy mind. It sounds ok though... I think Guitars up for sure though - all I'm hearing are pinches! :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 cymbals down, rest of the drums and the guitars up. All i can hear are cymbals and bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayeth Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Yeah more drive is needed with the guitars. Kool riff on 47 seconds' date=' did Jamesy write that one?[/quote']that riff is pretty damn cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 It's difficult to judge a mix at 96kbps, but initial impression is that there is too much emphasis on the bottom end making it sound a bit muddy. The snare sounds a little lifeless but I think it could just be because it's a bit swamped by the bass, probably could do with being a touch louder. I'm not sayin anything about the hats cuz at 96kbps they always get minced. For quick comparisons get a professionally expensively produced song of a similar nature and switch back and forth between that and your recording as they play to listen for the differences in levels and so on. What kind of compression have you used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gasss Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I think the guitars are loud enough but they don't cut throught the mix well. They also sound too similar. You could EQ them so the lead guitar has more mid than the rhythm. A HPF sometimes helps to clear up muddiness as well.The whole thing sounds pretty good, especially the drum sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cool, thanks for all your input. I definately think the cymbals should be taken down a bit. I only used compression on the toms and a bit on the snare. I certainly want to get the guitars standing out a bit more (without boosting the volume too much) Compression was just the adobe audition thingy but I have Wave Sapphire stuff but if anyone knows decent vst's or stuff to help shape the sound, feel free to post your thoughts.Cheers Hog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gasss Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Cool' date=' thanks for all your input. I definately think the cymbals should be taken down a bit. I only used compression on the toms and a bit on the snare. I certainly want to get the guitars standing out a bit more (without boosting the volume too much) Compression was just the adobe audition thingy but I have Wave Sapphire stuff but if anyone knows decent vst's or stuff to help shape the sound, feel free to post your thoughts.Cheers Hog[/quote']I read in Sound on Sound that using a loudness maximiser can bring out the snare and toms more than compression. Same for vocals. I agree about the cymbals. I sometimes use a short reverb (usually a small room convolution preset) on drum overheads. It helps to push the the cymbals back in the mix and gives the kit more space without sacrificing detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I read in Sound on Sound that using a loudness maximiser can bring out the snare and toms more than compression. Same for vocals.ARGH! Maximisers/Limiters are evil evil things unless you really know what you are doing. There are 3 approaches, in this order:1. Get the levels right before you use any effects.2. Use EQ to make fine adjustments to the sound of each channel IF NEEDED. For example, use a tiny low Q cut around 500hz to remove mud from a clunky snare sound. 3. Use compression to bring percussive life back into drums which don't have quite the pop or punch that you want. For example, short attack, medium release, low threshold and low ratio. The key with compression is subtlety, and only use it if you really need to. Needlesly using compression everywhere increases dynamic range of a sound and can make it difficult to acheive a reasonably loud mix that doesn't distort. Don't use a compressor to make things "louder". If you have a good recording in the first place, adjusting levels and using very subtle EQ may be all you need to do. Avoid the temptation to use plugins just because they are installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Avoid the temptation to use plugins just because they are installed.Especially when I dont know how to use them lol.Cheers Stripey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I think the guitars are loud enough but they don't cut throught the mix well. They also sound too similar. You could EQ them so the lead guitar has more mid than the rhythm..Hog's amp is poopered so we were just using my Mesa for both. We didn't alter the EQ for either guitar as the sound of the guitars rather than the amp are different - maybe it isn't too apparent on the recording but it is clearly noticeable otherwise - and together they just created a nice wall of sound. Maybe screw around with settings a bit more next time though: Might even have 2 different amps to use! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 I also think my microphone was a little bit too close to the speaker but yep, thats sorted next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preid Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 Sounds like the guitars are going out of time at the 30 sec and 55 sec mark. It might be me though ive been awake for a fair while now.I do like it, get some cowbell on the go and you've got yourself a winner for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 http://www.keilan303.demon.co.uk/e106.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 http://www.keilan303.demon.co.uk/e106.mp3In not going to ask how you did that Keilan. Scary good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 That was some pretty awesome riffage! Really liking it! Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 That was some pretty awesome riffage! Really liking it! AndyThanks man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 VocalsSounds OK, some cool riffage in there but on my set-up at least, the vocals are drowing everyting else out and like someone else pointed out, the snare is non existent (like I say on my set up at least).Good work tho'Keep it up.DZL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 OK I've now heard the full version...My playing is quite bad man! It'll sound better live though - that's what it's all about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted April 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Whoops, I have put up a rough version of the song with vocals by mistake. Argh!Want to rerecord it Jimmer?Got a 10-12pm at Toms for Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza1040 Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I would use all the waves plug ins.This is an example of a song recorded and masterd using waves.The more you get into this though the more you need to know.Have a look at thishttp://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Waves/PR/Prod-Mixing-Mastering.htmlThis is available to download athttp://www.audionews.ru/signup.phpThis gives you whole songs recorded and mixed.Just open a song into sonar 5, cubase or pro logic.Everything opens up in different tracks as if you recorded the whole band.All the settings are in place for the master mix using waves plugins.You can learn by them and remaster the song trying out different plugins.Or you can use the setting to save as template and add your own recordings.This would put in place the waves plug ins so that you just have to play about with them to master your own songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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