Guest tv tanned Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Why would anyone do that? The only reason dealers do that just now is to increase the weight' date=' more for their money. If it was legal there would be no need for manufacturers to adulterate it because most of the costs incurred in selling drugs come from the fact that it's illegal.[/quote']One assumes that any legalisation would take production out of the hands of those already engaged in the illegal drug trade.Therefore what is to really stop them, or people associated with them, purchasing legal drugs, cutting them and selling large quantities of 'cut' drugs at a price just below that of the legal stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 One assumes that any legalisation would take production out of the hands of those already engaged in the illegal drug trade.Therefore what is to really stop them' date=' or people associated with them, purchasing legal drugs, cutting them and selling large quantities of 'cut' drugs at a price just below that of the legal stuff?[/quote'] One would assume it would be licenced.From manufacture/importation to retail. If you make that whole supply chain legal and licensed there's no room for former drug dealers. Of course the real problem is: how will all these dealers, from the street delers up to the big cheese, make money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spellchecker Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 One would assume it would be licenced.From manufacture/importation to retail. If you make that whole supply chain legal and licensed there's no room for former drug dealers. Of course the real problem is: how will all these dealers' date=' from the street delers up to the big cheese, make money?[/quote']copying DVDs of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 One assumes that any legalisation would take production out of the hands of those already engaged in the illegal drug trade.Therefore what is to really stop them' date=' or people associated with them, purchasing legal drugs, cutting them and selling large quantities of 'cut' drugs at a price just below that of the legal stuff?[/quote']That would be very simple to control, drugs would be sold in quantities for personal consumption, it might even be sold for consumption on the lisensed premises...problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 fair enough, I remain sceptical over the supposed benefits, but I can't be bothered getting embroiled in an overblown argument on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 fair enough' date=' I remain sceptical over the supposed benefits, but I can't be bothered getting embroiled in an overblown argument on this issue.[/quote']I would hate for you to upset yourself over something so trivial.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 very droll, who said anything about getting upset? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That brings up an interesting point' date=' if you or any of the other "passive smoking causes health problems not proven" people were the parents of young children, would you happily smoke in their environment and allow others to? And if not, why not?[/quote']My partner is currently living with me until her flat is habitable. She is due to give birth in two weeks. I have continued to smoke around her, after asking if she was fine with it. She said she was. She intends to resume smoking after the birth, she gave up on discovering she was pregnant. She is looking forward to enjoying it again. Any other questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripey Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 One assumes that any legalisation would take production out of the hands of those already engaged in the illegal drug trade.Therefore what is to really stop them' date=' or people associated with them, purchasing legal drugs, cutting them and selling large quantities of 'cut' drugs at a price just below that of the legal stuff?[/quote']Would you buy a new car from a shady guy in a pub, or would you go to a reputable car dealer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 My partner is currently living with me until her flat is habitable. She is due to give birth in two weeks. I have continued to smoke around her' date=' after asking if she was fine with it. She said she was. She intends to resume smoking after the birth, she gave up on discovering she was pregnant. She is looking forward to enjoying it again. Any other questions?[/quote']So you and youre partner will quite happily smoke in a room or car with a new born baby? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That's got to be one of the most irresponsible things I've heard to be honest.Can a new born baby tell you if the smoke is bothering it? When the kid develops emphysema or asthma perhaps you'll think differently about smoking around a baby.I don't mind my friends smoking around me to a point, but if a baby was brought into the equation for any reason then there's no way I'd subject a child to a smoke-filled atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Im sorry but I do not' date=' nor will I ever agree with your argument about drugs in our society today.....Drugs should be legalised....yes, all of them, did that shock you?When you drink alcohol you know what you are getting, and its up to the individual to monitor how much they consume, which of course gets harder the more you've had. With drugs you have no fucking idea what you are ingesting.Yes booze is harmful and dangerous when its consumption goes beyond a certain limit, but I know I can walk into a bar, order a large McAllan, drink it, and live. Question...how dangerous do you think a single dose of methadone is? I think drugs should be legalised across the board so they can be policed......Drug dealers caught in the act of selling smack shoud be shot on sight....[/quote']You may have missed my point as I agree with all that G. How dangerous do I think a single dose of prescribed methadone is? No danger at all. How dangerous is heroin on the streets? Well, you've no idea, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 So you and youre partner will quite happily smoke in a room or car with a new born baby?Neither of us drive, so cars don't come into it. She has designated a room for us to smoke in when the flat is ready. If the child happens to be in the room while smoking is occurring, then so be it, doesn't put us up nor down. Anything else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jake Wifebeater Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 That's got to be one of the most irresponsible things I've heard to be honest.Can a new born baby tell you if the smoke is bothering it? When the kid develops emphysema or asthma perhaps you'll think differently about smoking around a baby.I don't mind my friends smoking around me to a point' date=' but if a baby was brought into the equation for any reason then there's no way I'd subject a child to a smoke-filled atmosphere.[/color']Irresponsible, eh? What business is it of yours, anyway? This is the kind of nannying and interfering that drives me up the wall. The child is nothing to do with you, so mind your own fucking business. Take a look at your own life before you tell the rest of us mere mortals what we should and shouldn't do. You who, of course, are so whiter than white that you have every right to lecture. Get your nose out of the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Irresponsible' date=' eh? What business is it of yours, anyway? This is the kind of nannying and interfering that drives me up the wall. The child is nothing to do with you, so mind your own fucking business. Take a look at your own life before you tell the rest of us mere mortals what we should and shouldn't do. You who, of course, are so whiter than white that you have every right to lecture. Get your nose out of the air.[/quote']You're right it's no business of anyone's but yours what you do, however if you make comments like that on a public noticeboard you must be pretty naieve to not think it'll be commented on. You made the comment on a public forum, people have the right to reply. I do think that smoking around a newborn kid is irresponsible, and when you say if the kid happens to be there you're neither up nor down, can you really not just wait until it's not there for its own health? a child needs to be supervised so it seems obvious that you or your girlfriend will be smoking around it a fair bit, ever thought that nowmight be a good time for you to cut down or give up for yours and the babies health ?If you don't want to give up for you, you have a great chance to give up for someone important.CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 How dangerous do I think a single dose of prescribed methadone is? No danger at all. Well that only goes to prove that you are not as knowlegable as you think you are...If you're system is not used to opiates a single dose of methadone can be lethal...I know' date=' because less than a single dose killed my boy(I sadly have the toxicoligy report to prove it) . I am not against drug use because I'm some boring old fart with Victorian ideals, I dont like seing young lives flushed down the toilet just because they are 'drug curious' and from you're comments I suspect you come into that catagory.Never think you know best, drugs kill without mercy and the victims become statistics and friends and family are left with memories and dreams of what could have been.Alastair Cattanach 19/02/1980 - 11/08/2001 I dont open my heart on public message boards for sympathy.....I just hope some kid takes note of what I say and thinks twice when someone who appears to know what they are talking about invites them to try some new drug that has killed [b']almost no people at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Neither of us drive' date=' so cars don't come into it. She has designated a room for us to smoke in when the flat is ready. If the child happens to be in the room while smoking is occurring, then so be it, doesn't put us up nor down. Anything else?[/quote']Well I normally respect someone who has strength in their belief.....But Im afraid when even the most pig headed among us must have just a shadow of a doubt that passive smoke is harmless, then your attitude is bordering on abuse.You ask rainbowprincess what business it is of hers....well a baby brought into an environment like that needs someone to look out for them...the natural instinct of any creature is to protect it's young from harm and i'm afraid you have failed in that task before it has begun.But possibly you know better that the entire medical profession....your a clever guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'll admit I know little about methadone. I do know that it acts as a detox for opiate addiction. The way you matched the question against heroin being sold on the streets, and alcohol being sold in pubs, suggested that you were talking about cleanliness, that's why i used the word 'prescribed' (check back) and then asked the question, how safe heroin is on the streets.I invited no one to try DMT, I wouldn't tell anyone to take drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I do know that it acts as a detox for opiate addiction. Sorry but wrong again' date=' methadone is neither a treatment nor a cure for heroin addiction, methadone [b']is an opiate and is given to addicts for two reasons, its used in an attempt to lower crime among junkies and ensure that their fix is clean.So many people assume they know about drugs and are therfore safe.... when in fact they know fuck all.....I must end this...its too distressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Irresponsible' date=' eh? What business is it of yours, anyway? This is the kind of nannying and interfering that drives me up the wall. The child is nothing to do with you, so mind your own fucking business. Take a look at your own life before you tell the rest of us mere mortals what we should and shouldn't do. You who, of course, are so whiter than white that you have every right to lecture. Get your nose out of the air.[/quote']Would it be any more of her business if you were battering the child instead?Smoking around an infant, who has no control over the situation, is in my view tantamount to child abuse. And I say that as someone whose parents smoked heavily during my youth, luckily I had no health problems - others are not blessed with such vigorous immune systems.You claim to be a socialist in the political threads, how about thinking about other people? That's what socialism entails no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Would it be any more of her business if you were battering the child instead?Smoking around an infant' date=' who has no control over the situation, is in my view tantamount to child abuse. And I say that as someone whose parents smoked heavily during my youth, luckily I had no health problems - others are not blessed with such vigorous immune systems.[/quote']Precisely my point.Jake I can see why you think it's none of my business, but when you post it on an internet message board do you really expect people not to react to something like that or comment on it?I never said I was whiter than white, pssh far from it. I just feel that it's wrong, and yes abusive to smoke around a child at such an early stage of its development, when it can't communicate to you that the smoke bothers it. If you don't think that passive smoke affects children then think again, asthma, emphysema and bronchitis are just a few respiratory problems that develop as a direct consequence of smoke, even passive smoke.I don't mean to get up on my "high horse" at you, and I'm aware I prolly am, it just happens to be a subject I feel very strongly about, having been subjected to a smoky atmosphere constantly until I was 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I disagree with you Jake but as always your my pal but I say what I think and you know/respect that. If you dont want people to comment on your life, dont mention things on this board. Smoking has a detremental effect on people but more so babies. Of course you have the choice to smoke or not smoke in its presence. One question, do you care that the child is healthy? Im sure you do so why possibly fuck that up? May as well give it a shot of whisky. Still love u to bits but come on Jake think! your a bright guy, use that brain. None of my business? Dont post here if you dont want people to voice their opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 I disagree with you Jake but as always your my pal but I say what I think and you know/respect that. If you dont want people to comment on your life' date=' dont mention things on this board. Smoking has a detremental effect on people but more so babies. Of course you have the choice to smoke or not smoke in its presence. One question, do you care that the child is healthy? Im sure you do so why possibly fuck that up? May as well give it a shot of whisky. Still love u to bits but come on Jake think! your a bright guy, use that brain. None of my business? Dont post here if you dont want people to voice their opinions [/quote']I have to take some of the blame for goding him into a response, and I knew it was a no win question, if he said he wouldnt smoke with a child in the room then he would have been accepting there were health risks with passive smoke, and responding like he did has left him open to the comments that rain down as we speak....Damned if you do damned if you dont eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Neither of us drive' date=' so cars don't come into it. She has designated a room for us to smoke in when the flat is ready. If the child happens to be in the room while smoking is occurring, then so be it, doesn't put us up nor down. Anything else?[/quote']I have just re-read this response and I think im going to be sick.....Correct me if im wrong but....your partner has chosen a room for smoking in this flat, now if what you say about the baby is true the only reason for this would be to protect the other rooms from the damage caused by two people smoking heavily...because as we all know smoking very quickly coats everything in horrible yellow tar which stains paintwork and plastic and the soft furnishings will soon become permanently impregnated with the stench of fags.So to sum up....the flat is worth saving from the damage of smoke.....the baby is notWow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neil ex Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Sorry but wrong again' date=' methadone is neither a treatment nor a cure for heroin addiction, methadone [b']is an opiate and is given to addicts for two reasons, its used in an attempt to lower crime among junkies and ensure that their fix is clean.So many people assume they know about drugs and are therfore safe.... when in fact they know fuck all.....I must end this...its too distressing.I know it's an opiate, and it is often used as a first stage to get people off heroin with the aim of coming off drugs for good aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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