Jimmygoodein Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 heres a thought:Competition is prominant in art (Music, painting, writing, cooking whatever). But if you think of art as a competition why not become a runner? This got me thinking. Where is the difference between sport and art. Or is sport art? Or is art Sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 heres a thought:Competition is prominant in art (Music' date=' painting, writing, cooking whatever). But if you think of art as a competition why not become a runner? This got me thinking. Where is the difference between sport and art. Or is sport art? Or is art Sport?[/quote']Are you drunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gold Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 heres a thought:Competition is prominant in art (Music' date=' painting, writing, cooking whatever). But if you think of art as a competition why not become a runner? This got me thinking. Where is the difference between sport and art. Or is sport art? Or is art Sport?[/quote']I don't even class darts as a sport, so hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmygoodein Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 thanks for the comments guys. It was great to hear some constructive feedback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I think you're right to some extent.A sport is a physical activity that can demonstrate skill, dedication and competition.Art definitely displays all of these attributes..Look at Ballet. It's considered an art but it's also a form of dance.. which is a sport. I'm not really sure where line is on this one.. I never considered photography, painting, sculpture or even music to be classed as sports, yet they all seem to meet the conditions.Hrmm.. interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I think you're right to some extent.A sport is a physical activity that can demonstrate skill' date=' dedication and competition.Art definitely displays all of these attributes..Look at Ballet. It's considered an art but it's also a form of dance.. which is a sport. I'm not really sure where line is on this one.. I never considered photography, painting, sculpture or even music to be classed as sports, yet they all seem to meet the conditions.Hrmm.. interesting[/quote']Dance is sport? thats a novel opinion!!Sport is sport... it requires no artistic input whatsoever, some sports require some natural talent but most only require practice and training for you to achieve moderate success, art on the other hand is "in my opinion" the reverse of that, no talent, no vision, forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crooked*smile Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Dance is sport? thats a novel opinion!!Not a particularly novel opinion, I think most people would agree to some extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Dance is sport? thats a novel opinion!!.I know lots of dancers who consider themselves to be performing a sport. You only have to look on' date=' for example, the "RGU:[b']Sport" website to see dancing and line dancing classes.. doesn't seem so "novel" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metarie Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ballet especially requires a great deal of physical strength (male dancers need to be able to lift their partner over their heads etc) and determination in general. Anyone who says that ballet doesn't qualify as a sport is insane, it's very demanding. Art is something whish has had the status of art conferred upon it by a member of an artistic institution (a painter or any other kind of creative artist, teachers, professors, critics etc). So in theory anyone who is a part of an artisitc institution can say anything is art. Or this is what I was told in Art and Philosophy in 1st year. It's a shady area. The 'what is art' debate is best discussed when you've got a few glasses of wine under your belt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I know lots of dancers who consider themselves to be performing a sport. You only have to look on' date=' for example, the "RGU:[b']Sport" website to see dancing and line dancing classes.. doesn't seem so "novel" now.Yes there is some dancing used for expresion in various sports, but I just feel that dancing as an activity isnt a sport.....Line dancing....a sport.....nahhhh! just because some webmaster lumps dancing along with sport because he's too lazy to creat a seperate page for it doesnt make it sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ballet especially requires a great deal of physical strength (male dancers need to be able to lift their partner over their heads etc) and determination in general. Anyone who says that ballet doesn't qualify as a sport is insane' date=' it's very demanding. Art is something whish has had the status of art conferred upon it by a member of an artistic institution (a painter or any other kind of creative artist, teachers, professors, critics etc). So in theory anyone who is a part of an artisitc institution can say anything is art. Or this is what I was told in Art and Philosophy in 1st year. It's a shady area. The 'what is art' debate is best discussed when you've got a few glasses of wine under your belt.[/quote']I just love that whole argument that "my" unmade bed isnt art because im not an artist....That argument goes up in smoke if you regard dancing as art..... I can boogie on down with the best of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Yes there is some dancing used for expresion in various sports' date=' but I just feel that dancing as an activity isnt a sport.....Line dancing....a sport.....nahhhh! just because some webmaster lumps dancing along with sport because he's too lazy to creat a seperate page for it doesnt make it sport.[/quote']I think you'll find it wasn't some webmaster, it's in the sporting activity timetable. Although to be honest, I think this is beside the point anyway. The fact that dancing occurs on the page and in the centre at all surely suggests it's considered a sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranoid Android Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Sport doesn't display the creative expression of something I would consider art, but then that isn't the point of sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmygoodein Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Is the point of sport to win? I dunno. surely there must be creative expression through sport. Someone has had a vision/inspiration, to become a great runner for example. Then theyll put years of practise into becoming good at running, this is their craft I guess. Is the main goal after all those years to win? Like a piano player, has the metal vision/inspiration to play. and takes all those years out to practise, to craft. To reach what, to win?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraemeC Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I think you'll find it wasn't some webmaster' date=' it's in the sporting activity timetable. Although to be honest, I think this is beside the point anyway. The fact that dancing occurs on the page and in the centre at all surely suggests it's considered a sport.[/quote']Ok....at the end of a sporting event the competitors are awarded 1st, 2nd, 3rd correct?Every sport you compete to win or at least improve your previous personal best correct?Now....Line dancing....I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Me thinks that artistic competitions are not entered for the purposes of winning. Art competitions, I'm coming from the contemporary angle and won't comment on what I would consider illustration (whole other argument) and in this world the idea of entering a competion is more about furthering your artistic expression for the judgement of others but not for the concerning of that judgement. If your work, if entered, is picked as a favourite by the judges this by no means suggests that it is better or others work is lesser. Consideration will likely be given to 'context, significance/relevance, realisation of idea, idea, conceptual and intellectual rigour, viewable discourse, oh an aesthetic and visual presentation of all of the above.. Sport however is entered into with the knowledge of participation, competition and a successful outcome. Winning by being better than others and bettering your last performance.J:up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crooked*smile Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 So according to your logic, darts and pool are sports. And dancing's not. BUT there are so many dance competitions. Gymnastics is very similar to dance and its an olympic sport. You can come 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in a dance competition. You can improve your personal best of the judge's score. Even line dancing has competitions which you can win. On the other side of the coin, if you're just basing it on winning, is pie eating then a sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwriter Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Ok....at the end of a sporting event the competitors are awarded 1st' date=' 2nd, 3rd correct?Every sport you compete to win or at least improve your previous personal best correct?Now....Line dancing....I rest my case.[/quote']Line dancing even has a scoring system.. so you can compete to winhttp://www.line-dance.com/Rules%202000.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Stax Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Games = very little/no athletic abilitySport = Some/lots of athletic abilityDancing = Dancing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crooked*smile Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Games = very little/no athletic abilitySport = Some/lots of athletic abilityDancing = DancingYou don't think ballet requires athletic ability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaver Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Is the point of sport to win? I dunno. surely there must be creative expression through sport. Someone has had a vision/inspiration' date=' to become a great runner for example. Then theyll put years of practise into becoming good at running, this is their craft I guess. Is the main goal after all those years to win? Like a piano player, has the metal vision/inspiration to play. and takes all those years out to practise, to craft. To reach what, to win??[/quote']Are you on drugs?So England are going to the World Cup, not to try and win it, but because they had a vision and inspiration, and they want to just be there for the experience and the artistic merit. My arse, all the teams are going there to do their best and to try and win the fucking thing. There are blurred lines; Ronaldinho, Henry etc in Nike ads showing off could be considered artistic, but as I say the aren't doing that to win. They play football matches to win, not to exhibit, edify, entertain, or fulfill their sensitive artistic and creative souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmygoodein Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Are you on drugs?So England are going to the World Cup' date=' not to try and win it, but because they had a vision and inspiration, and they want to just be there for the experience and the artistic merit. My arse, all the teams are going there to do their best and to try and win the fucking thing. There are blurred lines; Ronaldinho, Henry etc in Nike ads showing off could be considered artistic, but as I say the aren't doing that to win. They play football matches to win, not to exhibit, edify, entertain, or fulfill their sensitive artistic and creative souls.[/quote']Why then would you watch football if not to be entertained? Im not sure what you mean by England playing a match "not to exhibit." Dosnt football get more exhibition than most things? Is football not exhibited to you all day, everyday, everywhere. On Tv, radio, internet and on the pitch itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippinoneastereggs Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Competition is good, no matter in art or sport, its what makes people get better and makes better things happen all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weaver Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Why then would you watch football if not to be entertained? Im not sure what you mean by England playing a match "not to exhibit." Dosnt football get more exhibition than most things? Is football not exhibited to you all day' date=' everyday, everywhere. On Tv, radio, internet and on the pitch itself.[/quote']Entertainment isn't art. Is Eastenders art? There's a lot to like about football, but I don't think I'd class it as art. And there's a difference between an exhibition and the popularity of something. Just because you see something on TV all the time (Big Brother, the War on Terror) doesn't mean that's art either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trippinoneastereggs Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Entertainment isn't art. Entertainment is a form of art. And Art is a form of EntertainmentIs Eastenders art? technically yes There's a lot to like about football' date=' but I don't think I'd class it as art. And there's a difference between an exhibition and the popularity of something. Just because you see something on TV all the time (Big Brother, the War on Terror) doesn't mean that's art either.[/quote']Does it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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