YETI Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 so Hog... did you get that god forsaken tuner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Haha, didnt think you would forget. Didnt go into town today after all. I am going in on Thursday so will have one for practice:up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Make sure you get a Boss TU-2 floor tuner man! They are one of the best purchases I've ever made in the everness of ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 or the korg stage effort, its awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Tuner schmuners....I don't remember The Beatles, The Who, Hendrix etc... needing any tuners, they tuned live all the time, Hendrix made a song out of it. I've got no time for tuners because I need to hear chords before I know I'm tune... tuners schmuners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I use my tuner for finding my low B.After that I tune by ear for the rest, just cos I find it more accurate somehow! o_O Without the tuner though, I don't think I'd find that first low B by just ear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Cool, thanks for the tips guys.Must admit it is usually that low B which is not so easy to nail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 low A is easier and better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well, I would like to play even lower, Low E would rock but maybe that is 8 string territory or maybe its time to get my 7 string set up by a guitar tech person. The lower the better IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 EEADF#B is a fun one (Down to B standard with the B dropped to low(er) E). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I use my tuner for finding my low B.After that I tune by ear for the rest' date=' just cos I find it more accurate somehow! o_O Without the tuner though, I don't think I'd find that first low B by just ear [/quote']Think of a bass riff that starts on a B, hum it to yourself, then tune away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Tuner schmuners....I don't remember The Beatles' date=' The Who, Hendrix etc... needing any tuners, they tuned live all the time, Hendrix made a song out of it. I've got no time for tuners because I need to hear chords before I know I'm tune... tuners schmuners[/quote']some people are not as talented as you are i am afraid. i use a standard politonic tuner. if everyone use a tuner there is no risk that someone is out of tune. unfortunatelly hog cant tune by ear, sorry hod is not an insult just something i noticed. you have to let it ring and hear the sinusoid pattern. to reply to other posts on this thread, tuning by octaves or harmonics is not more accurate. i cant explain it in a language i dont know well enough but for once trust me i know what i am talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 also lower dosent mean better. not for me. b is as low as i would personally go. a is just too much, any lower and you are looking for some other bass player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 to reply to other posts on this thread' date=' tuning by octaves or harmonics is not more accurate. i cant explain it in a language i dont know well enough but for once trust me i know what i am talking about[/quote']I guess it may be something regarding my intonation or another factor but I have definitely had times where my tuner (very high quality tuner too) says that a note is spot on, yet if I play a powerchord, it's dissonant. Obviously though if the instrument is perfectly intonated and so on then a chromatic tuner isn't gonna be wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 oh and please refrain on commenting on my spellin/grammar... if you dont know it i am italian, so quit taking the piss. the day you can speak/write in italian at the same level i can speak/write in english will be the day i will accept any criticism on this matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HateEvent Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Sorry? I wasn't trying to be offensive in any way! ?( I was just simply saying that I have had times where the tuner is saying it's right yet the notes aren't when a chord is played, not saying that you are wrong or bashing your use of English.I wasn't saying anything about spelling/grammar etc. dude! Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I FOR SURE was NOT taking the piss in any form! :SI know of you being Italian, and yes, I'll never be as good with Italian as you are with English! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Sorry? I wasn't trying to be offensive in any way! ?( I was just simply saying that I have had times where the tuner is saying it's right yet the notes aren't when a chord is played' date=' not saying that you are wrong or bashing your use of English.I wasn't saying anything about spelling/grammar etc. dude! Sorry if you took my post the wrong way. I FOR SURE was NOT taking the piss in any form! :SI know of you being Italian, and yes, I'll never be as good with Italian as you are with English![/quote']no worries man it wasnt directed at you in particular... after almost every post i made in this forum some picky little anally retentive no lifer made a comment about my spelling/grammar just to be funny or discredit my vewsso sorry for that :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I guess it may be something regarding my intonation or another factor but I have definitely had times where my tuner (very high quality tuner too) says that a note is spot on' date=' yet if I play a powerchord, it's dissonant. Obviously though if the instrument is perfectly intonated and so on then a chromatic tuner isn't gonna be wrong![/quote']ok how to make it simple... modern tuning (ei A at 440Hz) is like dividing 11 by 10 and trying to get whole numbers. thats the basic theory anyway... so everything has to be approximated. if you tune by harmonics/octaves you will end up short on the last segment.also intonation, strings condition, humidity and temperature can affect your tuning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 some people are not as talented as you are i am afraid. i use a standard politonic tuner. if everyone use a tuner there is no risk that someone is out of tune. unfortunatelly hog cant tune by ear' date=' sorry hod is not an insult just something i noticed. you have to let it ring and hear the sinusoid pattern. to reply to other posts on this thread, tuning by octaves or harmonics is not more accurate. i cant explain it in a language i dont know well enough but for once trust me i know what i am talking about[/quote']I also cant play scales and put strings on properly but that will be changing very soon:up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I guess it may be something regarding my intonation or another factor but I have definitely had times where my tuner (very high quality tuner too) says that a note is spot on' date=' yet if I play a powerchord, it's dissonant. Obviously though if the instrument is perfectly intonated and so on then a chromatic tuner isn't gonna be wrong![/quote'] Checking and setting your intonation is easy (once you know how): The 12th fret harmonic should be exactly the same note (although a different octave) to the open string. Tune the guitar (you need the neck tensioned correctly or you'll get wrong results) Play the open note Play the 12th fret harmonic If it's sharp, the string is too short and needs to be lengthened. If it's flat the string needs shortened. Adjust the saddle bridge (assuming you have 6 different saddle bridges) in the appropriate direction and repeat above until the harmonic and open are in tune. You'll probably have to slacken the string to adjust the saddle. If your tuner is working correctly, that should sort you out (assuming you can't drive a bus under your strings). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 (assuming you can't drive a bus under your strings) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Checking and setting your intonation is easy (once you know how): The 12th fret harmonic should be exactly the same note (although a different octave) to the open string. Tune the guitar (you need the neck tensioned correctly or you'll get wrong results) Play the open note Play the 12th fret harmonic If it's sharp' date=' the string is too short and needs to be lengthened. If it's flat the string needs shortened. Adjust the saddle bridge (assuming you have 6 different saddle bridges) in the appropriate direction and repeat above until the harmonic and open are in tune. You'll probably have to slacken the string to adjust the saddle. If your tuner is working correctly, that should sort you out (assuming you can't drive a bus under your strings).[/quote']just a small note an that.. if you change the diameter of your strings (gage?) you will have to re-intonate your instrumentgiven that length, mass and tention are the 3 varables of a note Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 So I take it that its more difficult to get Intonation right, the lower you tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YETI Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 actually no. the note you are tuning/intonating, has no influence on the result or practice. you will still need a point of reference, either a tuner or something that generates the procise note you are trying to intonate.my dislike for low frequencies tuning is a simple style problem... low frequencies are harder to hear for the human ear. so if you pile alot of instruments in that range you end up with an undefined noise, which to me is no music, you might as well record heavy machinery with the mic volume at 11so in my PERSONAL opinion, using lots of low end moshy sound is to mask lack of skill because at the end noone will understand what you are playing anywa... which takes me back to the comment stwartmaxuell made about my sound... once again i am not trying to start another thread closing argument... i am just explaining my PERSONAL views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I agree with yeti - B is low as sounds good to my ears. Any further than that it doesn't add any power to the music, only muddiness.Even A#/Bb sounds too low in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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