empty-words Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 To be honest That rusty cooly guy isnt that great, i have seen a few of his wee video things and its all shite. all he can do is play fast, there is no melody, harmony or anything realy musical about that. All he is doing is playing scales/arpegios at extreme speed.Yes the speed he can play at is impresive but musicaly it sucks and any fool can leard a few scales and spend his life in his room going over and over and over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 pretty nifty, i like how he has managed to incorporate melody into that given there is no song "structure" as suchi always find it a joy to listen to self indulgent playing on the acoustic/electroacoustic, i could listen to stuff like this for ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empty-words Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313639281780987096&q=victor+wootenAll about the groove.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-416356427218081307&q=mario+pianoThis is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryn Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Yeah, Rusty is impressive, but you have to be a moron to aspire to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Ascension Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 To be honest That rusty cooly guy isnt that great' date=' i have seen a few of his wee video things and its all shite. all he can do is play fast, there is no melody, harmony or anything realy musical about that. All he is doing is playing scales/arpegios at extreme speed.Yes the speed he can play at is impresive but musicaly it sucks and any fool can leard a few scales and spend his life in his room going over and over and over them.[/quote']That is the most utterly atrocious thing I have ever heard... try listening to his work in his band first.Jesus Christ... i'm actually laughing at that post hahaha - especially the part that says "any fool can leard (sic) a few scales)". That isn't even anywhere close to being his best video.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Ascension Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 and good call the guy who posted Angra - they truly kick ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Ascension Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313639281780987096&q=victor+wootenAll about the groove.yesah that vid was posted in the "melt my balls" post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryn Posted January 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 i'm actually laughing at that post hahaha - especially the part that says "any fool can leard (sic) a few scales)". That isn't even anywhere close to being his best video....This is true, guys like Rusty, Becker etc have reached ridiculous levels of technical playing. Its awesome to watch, I just feel aspiring to this kind of thing is worthless as you will never be as good. With jazz there is a much more prominent element of individuality, in that, you can be leagues below the pros but generally still offer something creative and original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Maverik Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5313639281780987096&q=victor+wootenAll about the groove.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-416356427218081307&q=mario+pianoThis is insane.Cheers for this! I'd heard of Victor Wooten, but never heard him play. That is some funky shit! I really dug it!Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empty-words Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 That is the most utterly atrocious thing I have ever heard... try listening to his work in his band first.Jesus Christ... i'm actually laughing at that post hahaha - especially the part that says "any fool can leard (sic) a few scales)". That isn't even anywhere close to being his best video....I'm not even gonna bother, you remain a joke to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I'm not even gonna bother' date=' you remain a joke to everyone.[/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Ascension Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I'm not even gonna bother' date=' you remain a joke to everyone.[/quote']haha i'm afraid you're actually going to have to explain this, as right now it's a meaningless comment to me.What band are you in again?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Ascension Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 ...it sucks and any fool can leard a few scales and spend his life in his room going over and over and over them.That's exactly the same as saying any fool can lock himself in his bedroom and learn to beat the crap out of Bruce Lee.Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MKII Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 haha i'm afraid you're actually going to have to explain this' date=' as right now it's a meaningless comment to me.What band are you in again?? [/quote']You and your band are the joke to which people are laughing. For example, look at what hearing your demo did to this poor fellow! And this old dear's reaction on hearing about your Tunnels gig fiascoThat's exactly the same as saying any fool can lock himself in his bedroom and learn to beat the crap out of Bruce Lee.Idiot.No, its not the same thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 guys, do not turn this thread into another flame war with ascension. discuss the various talents of guitarists but keep it civil please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I like this...http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3444593949853639826&q=buckethead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bryn Posted January 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's exactly the same as saying any fool can lock himself in his bedroom and learn to beat the crap out of Bruce Lee.Idiot.I don't think its a defined as you can say 'any' fool can shred, but undoubtedly, 'many' can, and many do.Watching that Rusty Cooley video gives me a headache, its old and its boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empty-words Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 That's exactly the same as saying any fool can lock himself in his bedroom and learn to beat the crap out of Bruce Lee.Idiot.Dude you have no idea what kind of person Bruce lee was, he was amazing. He will be remembered by millions of people forever. Read up on him and leard a wee bit about him.Comparing him to Rusty Cooley is stupid. Who will only be rememberd by fools like yourself.Its like comparing Victor Wooten/stu hamm etc... to my current bass playingLike Primus to Hex Pensor the best one My Minds Weapon to Ascension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 empty-words, I've deleted your post again. Please do not attempt to post it a 3rd time. This is your second warning. If you continue to try and start a personal argument publicly on the forum you will find yourself unable to post for a while.The same goes for anyone else trying to stir up an argument on this thread. Any further off topic posts containing personal attacks will be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empty-words Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 This is true' date=' guys like Rusty, Becker etc have reached ridiculous levels of technical playing. Its awesome to watch, I just feel aspiring to this kind of thing is worthless as you will never be as good. With jazz there is a much more prominent element of individuality, in that, you can be leagues below the pros but generally still offer something creative and original.[/quote']I agree and disgree with this post, What rusty is playing isnt technical, its just fast. Stanley Jordan is technical, listen to some of his stuff.you can do anything you put your mind to. ie. when i heard Classical thumb by Victor Wooten i never thought i could play anything like it. After watching his video i got the idea behind double thumbing and started to learn it, i can now play most of the song full speed (crotchet+134) and the double thumbing part at about 100. I am no amazing bass player, Its all just practice.The video with the guitar and bass thing, the bass player isnt technical at all, he is just very fast.Try and get a hold of a michael manring cd, many would consider him to be the most technical bass player around. sounds nothing like all that rust cooley pish.And yes, Jazz kicks ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Dude you have no idea what kind of person Bruce lee was' date=' he was amazing. He will be remembered by millions of people forever. Read up on him and leard a wee bit about him.[/quote']What exactly did he do that was that inspiring? He made films, beat up people and died in mysterious circumstances and his legend grew with the years and someone got rich out of it. Did he end poverty, invent a cure for cancer or win the nobel peace prize?Bruce Lee was a talented bastard when it came to martial arts, but at the end of the day, anyone could emulate him with enough practice and ability. Whether his charisma could be emulated is another thing, but well, don't musicians have that too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Bruce Lee founded a completely new style of martial art (Jeet Kun Do) as well as popularising martial arts in general for the first time. His achievements as a teacher and moderniser of traditional chinese martial arts are enough to make him a legend in the MA community alone. Add to that his achievements in film and you have a life and influence without parallel in the history of martial arts (perhaps only Wong Fei Hung would come close). Yet again Cloud I feel you've just stuck your oar in without knowing much about what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 But Chris, what did he actually do that changed things? In my book, he's comparable to the Gracies with their Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and (inital) leading role in MMA in the early years. Doesn't make him a legend, though - as the Gracie family have shown, your legend only survives as long as someone doesn't end it. Unfortunately for them, various beatings handed out has ended that legend somewhat. I'm not convinced that Bruce Lee would be considered a legend if he was still alive. He was without a shadow of a doubt brilliant at his art, but in my opinion JKD is more of a public relations success than anything else. A quick google incidentally shows that JKD hasn't had much success in the MMA world by people claiming to practice it - so again, was it really that good, or has his image simply been brilliantly marketed?Edit : I find it hard to take Lee to be a huge deal considering the marketing and hype machine that surrounds him, even now. Lee is probably unmatched for his film achievements, but even then, look at other people who have brought it forward since then. I don't think Lee would have been viewed in the same light if he was a broken down old man today - look at how a generation of people are growing up, knowing Ali for having Parkinson's disease, not for his achievements in the boxing ring. My feeling is that Lee would be viewed the same way.Anyway, anyone can become a shredder or an insanely good martial artist. Not everyone can have the charisma to exploit it, though. edit 2 : Googling around, there seems to be a lot of opinion one way or another on Lee. From what I can see though, Lee never fought in tournaments, which to me makes him lose a lot of credibility. So it's probably safe to say that although the guy had great ideas (it seems he did realise the benefits of cross training) and that he was insanely charismatic, he wasn't a great in the sense of competition, which devalues his legacy considerably for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 ah you're falling into that old "but it doesn't work in MMA trap". MMA is a very restrictive environment and it's designed to favour specific arts. Most MMA is based on a format developed by the gracies as a promotional vehicle for their form of BJJ. They designed the format so it favoured ground fighting and hence they (and their fighters) dominated that rea throughout the 90s. Using MMA to compare styles is a very flawed tactic. Would an MMA fighter succeed in sanshou? I think it's unlikely for the same reason that TCM fighters don't do very well in MMA.You can say JKD hasn't had the success of other MA styles. It's a matter of opinion I guess. I think there are a lot of JKD schools using the name that are really teaching Wing Chun, while the reverse is also true. I'm fairly sure there are many Wing Chun schools that are teaching a more stripped down version based on Bruce Lee's work. But what Bruce Lee really did was get rid of many of the taboos relating to the teaching of traditional chinese martial arts to westerners. Without him I don't think you would have seen the spread of Kung Fu and Karate through the 70s and 80s and the spread of other traditional arts such as Tae Kwon Do and Aikido. Even today he continues to inspire countless people to take up these pursuits. When I used to do Hung Ga there was a fair few students who idolised Bruce Lee and saw in him a mentality of bettering themselves physically which inspired them to work through the (considerable) pain of early training to get to a higher level of performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biz Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 over ratedI can't stand watching Bruce Lee films,they cheapen and make martial arts look rediculous,all those stupid gurns he does look idiotic and the choreography is often laughable.I have a black belt in cooking ...kill you with one chop.Is that Kung Fu?Nah he's only had 3 pints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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