silver fox

[Jim Stax]

I have just spoken with the owner and was reassured that The Tunnels had no idea about the unethical actions of this particular promoter. We will be in touch with him tomorrow and the night will be cancelled.

However' date=' bands which had been booked by Silver Fox to play Jan 8th may still play at The Tunnels, but with all monies from the door being split between the bands, as is customary.

Could any bands who ARE booked for this, please PM me ASAP to make the necessary arrangements.

The Tunnels apologises for any inconvenience caused by this individual and strongly advises any other band against dealing with him.

Rebecca McCrum

Promotions Assistant

THE TUNNELS[/quote']

One amongst many reasons why Aberdeen is a damn fine place to be in a band!

[FezMonkey]

Oh, and we are still looking for punk bands for 21st Feb if anyone's interested! PM me.

Tunnels Rules!

Rebecca

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[framheim]

One amongst many reasons why Aberdeen is a damn fine place to be in a band!

and why aberdeen-music can actually be handy.

i say boo to pay to play, BOO!

[The Ghost Of Fudge]

by coincidence, i just found this on diskant.net

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PROMOTER BULLSHIT a continuing saga

Hi. After hearing Marceline's grief over the Data Panik support I thought I would share a Myspace exchange I have recently been part of. I admit to being a little surly with the 'promoter' concerned but it gets my goat. I'm not interested in naming and shaming so I have removed the promotion 'company's name but I'll spill the beans if you want though I doubt anyone will have contact with them...

Enjoy.

PROMOTION COMPANY: "Hi. ****** *** Events are organising a massive all day gig on the 22nd of january at the The **** ****, ******** 2006 and wondered if you would be interested in playing this gig. There will be about 10 bands playing in all therefore a lot of potential exposure to new fans to broaden your fan base. As well as this there are other gigs available in January throughout the UK. 08th of january *** ******** , ******** 15th of january The **********, ******* 21st of january *** *********,************ 22nd of january *** **** **** ******** 29th of january *** ***** ****, ********* All you have to do to seal a place on this gig is to tell us what address to send tickets to for you to sell! We give all bands 30 tickets in which we get the money for the first 20 and they get the money for the rest! Tickets are to be sold for £5 each giving you a potential profit of £50 I hope you are interested in this offer and look forward to hearing from you soon. ****** *** Events"

ME: "Many thanks for the offer but promoting gigs is your job, not mine. I just play."

PROMOTION COMPANY: "What? We are event organisers, also how do you promote a show that sees bands playing with no fan base? We are helping bands out here. "

ME: ""All you have to do to seal a place on this gig is to tell us what address to send tickets to for you to sell! We give all bands 30 tickets in which we get the money for the first 20 and they get the money for the rest! Tickets are to be sold for £5 each giving you a potential profit of £50"

Like I said, I play music, you sell tickets. Its a promoter/performer role kind of thing. I am also a promoter in Nottingham. If I suggested to a band that they should be paid for their efforts based on them effectively doing my job for me I would expect nothing less than for them to tell me to get screwed.

Perpetuating that kind of deal where bands are somehow responsible for the turnout at gigs helps no one, it creates a world of opportunist, lazy promoters and bands destined to play to 20 of their mates week in week out.

Maybe it's what some folks want but there's quicker ways to the top in the music world.

It just involves developing a strong tolerance for the taste of cock.

Best, Chris "

PROMOTION COMPANY: "I am afraid that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

If you could tell me how to promote a band with no fanbase but their friends then please do, no matter how many fliers you send out no one will come to see a band they have never heard of. The way we do it is 10 bands each bring 20 people which unless I am wrong is 200 people which is 10 times the amount of people they usually play to.

Do you understand that we have costs to cover?

This way we can guarantee a large turnout and money upfront. What could be better?

Who on earth would go to see YOU play if you did not find people. We dont know your fan base, you do. If you can safely say that if we "promote" the gig, using fliers posters etc that 200 people would buy tickets before the event began then ok, I am wrong.

But if not you have to do the hard work not us. We get the venue sorted, organise the gig and find the bands. We get it all sorted the bands sell the tickets as they are the ones playing the show. Bands mess you around too much saying that they can bring people but never do this way we are saving our backs.

I laugh at your remarks, why should we attempt to sell tickets for a unnamed band?"

ME: ""I laugh at your remarks, why should we attempt to sell tickets for a unnamed band?"

I give in. Because you're a promoter?

Its all gone a bit quiet since. Awww fuck it. They're called Silver Fox events. They're on the world of the Myspace.

[soundian]

PROMOTION COMPANY: "Do you understand that we have costs to cover?"

Let me have a think about the costs:

You'd need two people, since they don't appear to be local (rough figures, but realistic):

Travel 100 (this could obviously be much lower)

Accomodation 50

Hire of venue 50

Internet access and phone line for approx 2 months:45 (probably domestic so no real costs)

Promotion 0

Tickets 20

Postage etc 10

Maximum costs 275

Minimum income 1000 (remember, they get the money for people who pay on the door as well)

Minimum profit 725, or 360 each, for doing nothing except fire off a few emails and spending a day counting cash.

That dripping sound must be my heart bleeding for them.

[The Milner]

yeh we were also sent the message, a two word reply was all it needed "fuck off"

[Sam 45]

yeh we were also sent the message' date=' a two word reply was all it needed "fuck off" [/quote']

Ha, Level Four left them a very similar comment.

[FezMonkey]

Does anyone know of anyone else booked to play this gig on the 8th? So far have only managed to find out about 2, but since it was an all day event it must be more

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[Stray Cat]

A couple of years ago, my band were invited to play a similar thing in Edinburgh. They invited us down for a chat and to watch one of their live shows, which was held in a revamped church - cn't even remember what they called the place now. It wasn't exactly pay to play, but they made it clear that we would only be allowed to play if we guaranteed that at least 50 people would come down with us and pay to get in. Now their light rig caught my attention because it was held up by 2 rusty 1/2 tonne chainblocks (which I used to service). I got pissed on everything they had going at the bar - as well as the test tubes they were walking about selling and had an argument with the promoter about how unsafe the light rig was and that if the necessary authorities were to spot it that they could be shut down.

I made a complete arse of myself but at least we got out of the scam.

[Sam 45]

I just noticed that newish Aberdeen band 'Firing Line' were also signed up for this.

[stuartmaxwell]

not much else needs to be said here i think

a resounding "fuck off you scamming cunts" seems to be on the menu

[framheim]

you know what? i just got an email from this website: http://www.raised-horns.co.uk/

who also happen to use the snooty-fox venue in wakefield and seem to be operating similar scams asking me to register with their site. although their site does seem to have some half decent content on it. paying £100 to be on a sampler cd is a bit much as is £8 an hour to run promotions for a band.