calum Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I actually don't think Inept 303 and Stayover are that similar.However Ian,, if you do and like Inept 303, then you should come see Stayover at the Tunnels on Friday with Schmuk and My Downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 if you are looking for a second guitarist backing vox in a new punk band am open for consideration(influences from - the misfits, the clash, the ramones, social distortion to green day, pennywise, NOFX) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I actually don't think Inept 303 and Stayover are that similar.However Ian' date=', if you do and like Inept 303, then you should come see Stayover at the Tunnels on Friday with Schmuk and My Downfall. [/quote']Cheers ill hopefully make it sorry if iv opened a can of worms tho ?( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 do my downfall have a website or any place i can here some material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terance Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Foyer - wat can i say quality gear at THE LOWEST PRICES YOU WILL EVER FIND ! People there are very experienced in 'the Biz ' and are always looking for new bands and acts see www.foyerlive.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 Foyer - wat can i say quality gear at THE LOWEST PRICES YOU WILL EVER FIND ! People there are very experienced in 'the Biz ' and are always looking for new bands and acts see www.foyerlive.comits not the cheapest, its what 14 per hour with no block deals, exile is 15 per hour with a whole day block deal of 100 + you get mark nicol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valley69 Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 you get mark nicolthats why its so cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betamax Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Its a question of scale and skill. PC 500-1000' date=' soundcard 150-500, software free-infinite cost, good enough mic 150-1000. Its the time & patience getting to learn the gear that is the real investment, hence the situation you described above. Its different cost involved in creating live rooms and, especially, recording drum kits. Vocals also would be at the mercy of the room sound, thats where the work comes into play.Our recent stuff was all recorded in a top floor flat, lucky the neighbours weren't complainers![/quote']I concurr with this approachWe are recording/producing the TV album at my house. We did the drums and ampified bass guitar in a studio (21 songs in 2 days) cos of the volume/ambience thing. The rest is easy enough to do at chez betamax plus its free and theres no other twat to fuck it up. Entire studio setup probably cost about 2,500 spread over about a year of researching/buying/setting up. Spent another six months learning how to use the stuff and experimenting with getting sounds to be cool. Bingo, we'll have made one of the cheapest albums ever. To be honest we couldnt have done it any other way. To get the same level of results in a commercial studio would cost at least 20,000 (no shittin we've got the quotes).This is the only way ahead for bands now unless you fancy owing a big label lots of money for the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 So how many bands on this forum do music full time (Touring, Writing, Recording, promoting etc) coz it costs a shit load to do all these things and takes up a lot of time to do it right, therefore you have to pretty much do it full time..............but! where does the money come from. Unless you have a big ass record company throwing money at you to do these things. Its not a very punk rock approach but fuck...... it would save so much hassle having a record label behind you, yet you would lack the freedom as to do it from home recording! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Where does the money come from?? See the "Aberdeen Music Class Divide" thread!!!! :D:D:D J/K!!!Keep an eye on ebay, always a bargain there, everyone knows somenoe who knows how to find pirate software, I've wasted a lot of money getting a cool recording setup (but by no means any good!! Value maybe 425.17) but have nowhere to record! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milner Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 thats why its so cheapbit of a cheap shot no??Personally id go to mark to record for your first few times, he is a great guy to work with and he does very good deals for local bands.I dont rate toms recordings at all so i wouldnt take my band there.The mill is the best in the area but it costs 25 an hour so be prepared to spend a lot.If you want to hear some mp3's ive got heaps from all the different studios in aberdeen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Most bands go through the same cycle of 'have to record a demo' without deciding why and what they want to do with it.This has huge implications on deciding how, where and what to record.If the purpose of the demo is to distribute to fans, sell/giveaway at gigs, online downloads and generally to 'spread the word' choosing to record at home or deciding on a commercial studio purely on price is ok.If the purpose of the demo is to solicit record company interest in the hope of securing a deal of some form, then consider very carefully what going to a studio will bring you.After all, its ok to spend 1500 on a guitar, but most bands grudge paying more than a couple of hundred quid each for a demo - which one is going to impress an A&R dept more ?At the most basic level the process can be split into recording, mixing, and mastering.Most bands blow 90% of their budget on the recording, and leave a couple of hours for the mixing and almost nothing for mastering.Another issue for bands not used to working in the studio is who is producing the track ? Leaving the decision up to the engineer doesn't always suit the band, and without some agreement before hand, frequently leads to inter-band arguements under pressure of the 'clock'It makes a lot of sense to pick a studio because they specialise in type of music you play. They will know how to get the sort of sounds you are after and you will probably feel more at ease - and that often means looking further than Aberdeen..I'm reasonably pleased with the sound I get recording at home:http://www.compuphonic.com/music/Finding%20My%20Way%20(Breakz%20Mix)_eq.mp3http://www.compuphonic.com/music/Finding%20My%20Way%20(Packer%20Mix)_eq.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain44s Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 At the most basic level the process can be split into recording' date=' mixing, and mastering.Most bands blow 90% of their budget on the recording, and leave a couple of hours for the mixing and almost nothing for mastering.']This is a really important point. A good quality recording means bugger all if the mix is rubbish...and good mixes take hours or even days to get right...even just for one track. Mastering also extremely important...expecially if you plan to get the tune played on the radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 All other demos we v recorded have been at toms yet this time round we want to step into this as professional as possible we simply want to get hte best out of our money alot of toms recordings can sound really thin and lack the balls behind it. especially with more indie based music as it is a quiter genre of music it still needs the lift and body in its sound which toms always seems to lack. Our last e.p was a lot heavier than the one we are about to record so the volume of the recording was already their so we were quite pleased with it this time round the sound is a lot differant so we are trying to shop around - our top line budet will be sum thin like 600 - 700 quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 I think one member of the band should work with the engineer, and the other members should talk to the selected member, not the engineer. I've been there before, where everyone is shouting at the engineer to get their parts louder and more up front in the mix, the end result is always shit!!I'd also use a different engineer to master the recording (as prob in a different location) to the mixer....fresh set of ears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 I'm reasonably pleased with the sound I get recording at home:http://www.compuphonic.com/music/Finding%20My%20Way%20(Breakz%20Mix)_eq.mp3http://www.compuphonic.com/music/Finding%20My%20Way%20(Packer%20Mix)_eq.mp3Great tracks, were the vocals recorded live or are they samples?You are the best thing to happen to this site... since I put up my sundaramusic demos!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 All other demos we v recorded have been at toms yet this time round we want to step into this as professional as possible we simply want to get hte best out of our money alot of toms recordings can sound really thin and lack the balls behind it. especially with more indie based music as it is a quiter genre of music it still needs the lift and body in its sound which toms always seems to lack. Our last e.p was a lot heavier than the one we are about to record so the volume of the recording was already their so we were quite pleased with it this time round the sound is a lot differant so we are trying to shop around - our top line budet will be sum thin like 600 - 700 quidThis sounds a lot like spending insufficient time on mixing and mastering...I'm not familiar with the recording setup at Toms, what are they using is it ADAT or all computer based ? Who mixed the tracks you recorded at Toms?How many tracks are you looking to reocrd for your budget, and what are you planning to do with the demo once recorded ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spellchecker Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 those vocals sound outstanding. what mic did you record them with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted April 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 This sounds a lot like spending insufficient time on mixing and mastering...I'm not familiar with the recording setup at Toms' date=' what are they using is it ADAT or all computer based ? Who mixed the tracks you recorded at Toms?How many tracks are you looking to reocrd for your budget, and what are you planning to do with the demo once recorded ?[/quote']this is probably true (not enough time mixing mastering) just pretty much fighting with the clock.we would be hoping to record 4 - 5 tracks and hoping for airplay / anr interest as hoping to go down to london in the summer to gig for a while and we will need a worth while demo to back us up.our last e.p was good and got airplay on radio 1 (Once!) and got alot of airplay on small local staions along wiht a london gig and a few glasgow gigs. Yet this demo no longer represents our current sound which is becoming alot more intricit and subtle focusing alot more on certain sounds and effects (which i don't really have a clue about btu ill sort something out)And think its DAT toms useshe did nt do a bad job of the mixing and mastering we just need a place that bit better tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 those vocals sound outstanding. what mic did you record them with?Was that to me ?If so its an AKG C1000, into a Focusrite Twintrack pre, and then via a MOTU 828 Mk 1Recorded in my living room.. so its not a high spec mic, just seems to suit her voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Great tracks' date=' were the vocals recorded live or are they samples?You are the best thing to happen to this site... since I put up my sundaramusic demos!!! [/quote']Thx.. still learning.. but its a lot of fun...All recorded live in my living room.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Compuphonic Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 this is probably true (not enough time mixing mastering) just pretty much fighting with the clock.we would be hoping to record 4 - 5 tracks and hoping for airplay / anr interest as hoping to go down to london in the summer to gig for a while and we will need a worth while demo to back us up.And think its DAT toms useshe did nt do a bad job of the mixing and mastering we just need a place that bit better tho I'd be inclined to say put the 600-700 budget into your best 3 tracks. A&R seldom ask for more than this to start with. This would let you spend more time on the tracks (particularly the mixing) or choose a better studio to record in.If you had the individual multitrack files from Toms. the material could have been reworked/remixed to give it more punch. Just an idea.. if I had more free time I'd offer..Its probably a good exercise to get everybody in the band to pick their favourite albums from a production aspect and get everybody to agree the type of result they want to leave the studio with before starting. Also don't be afraid to play the engineer a selection of commercial CDs you want to capture the production style from before starting. You want something thats going to sound reasonably polished to attract repeat airplay.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeornothing Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Toms isn't using ADAT, its a Fostex D160, it just backs up to DAT. I think moving the tracks from this unit would be more hassle than its worth, it can sync with ADAT, but I don't think you can lightpipe one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tav Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Hmmm where to record such a good question. I can't wait to get round to doing a proper well produced CD. Week on wednesday we are going to record heaps of ideas with the help of our friend who's done a recording course and all his gear. We were getting ok results by using D.I/line out on the bass and guitar + mikes pointed at the drum kit. Fine for capturing those jams where ideas come from on the cheap...obviously it'd be nice to have a full on set up running for each 3 hour practice. Obviously it's only really good for recording spur of the moment jams for your own consumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 For around the budget of 600-700 I could arrange a very good Studio www.the-byre.com and me to engineer/produce for 3 full days! in that time it would be possible to record and mix 3 tracks to a very good standard fit for any Record Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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