No axe to grind here, but I'm presuming that on some level you realise that what you are complaining about and the kind of posts you make are the same thing. As for your last post, do you mean it's ok to insult the vast majority of the population but it's not ok for someone to return fire? Your definition of "discussion" seems to be the same definition 1st year philosophy students use when they are trying to be righteous. Generalisations are the stock in trade of the ignorant, and I don't presume to claim you are that. Discussion is fine, pointless slanging (regardless of its intent to provoke debate) is childish. If younger members are genuinely put off posting, I think that at the very least you could admit that your attempts to spark debate are misfiring. Freedom of speech is one thing, but a little bit of common sense is nice too. Do you think that there is an Olympics forum somewhere that has a thread about the redundancy of all televised music? I do hope so, we could all go out for a beer.