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Ahhh that old chesnut, The usual absent minded response. 200,000 in Manchester, a few hundred causing trouble. Aye, ALL of them.

Not sure if this is the right forum as this post has more do do with Rangers fans than the actual sport of football, but here goes anyway... Last week, I had a few days away in London with my lovely new girlfriend and this is an account of a surreal incident that occurred on the Underground... We had been doing the tourist thing pretty much all day and were heading back to our hotel in Kensington on the Piccadilly Line (changing onto the Circle Line at South Kensington). We were both pretty tired and I dozed off and when I woke up, our carriage was a sea of Royal Blue "Carling" branded shirts, filled with big fat tattooed men who were very, very drunk (just back from the Arsenal/Gers game I presumed). "Oh fukkin no!" was my initial reaction. Anyway, we sat quietly and nothing happened for the first few stops, the one of them - an older guy - spotted my girlfriend, who's black. "Awright doll,?" he slurred, "you're pure gorgeous by-the-way, yiv goat that lovely broon skin, so ye huv" G/F looks at me in a panic. "S'awright doll, wur no' racist, so we urnae, aw Jock Tamsons bairns, y'know? Rabbie Burns....Rabbie Burns, he wiz the man, so he wiz! "Jist like Nelson Mandela, so he wiz, Nelson Mandela wiz the man, soartit aw thae racist cunts out so he did...." He then bursts into a chorus of "Free Nelson Mandela", just as our train arrives - mercifully - at South Kensington. So, we got off at the station and left a trainload of Rangers fans, all enthusiatically belting out "Free-eeeeee Nelson Man-delaaaaaaaaaa" You couldn't make this shit up! - I just wish I had recorded it on my mobile. It would have been a YouTube classic.

Stop making sweeping generalisations about people who don't like Rangers fans, Adolf.

I post on the Manchester Music forums, and alot of folks on there spent most of the day of the final drinking with the Rangers fans on Piccadilly Gardens and then watching the game. Nobody seemed to have a bad word to say about them, and the general consensus was that the Police using force is what initiated the trouble. Obviously it goes both ways. It's not as black and white as suggesting it was purely 100% fans or police, and it was obviously going to be a combination of lousy policing, and a bit of hooliganism, which any club with a following of a couple of hundred thousand is bound to have if an unfortunate situation like that is to happen. I still don't like Rangers though, but to blame every fan for what happened in Manchester is a bit irrational. If the powercut had have happened to any other clubs' travelling supporters, the same thing would have happened.

See, the footage I remember of it was just Aberdeen fans having a right good time fucking things up, so that's how it looked to me. I was in Manchester and would tell you a similar story to what you said just there, obviously which a change of teams etc. Amazing what the media can do.

Obviously I'm nae disputing the fact that Dons fans have a record of causing trouble, but Dan Rivers' credibility is supposedly dubious at best.

Rangers are a fucking disgrace. Trouble making cunts. This article riles me no end.. In The Bygone Days Of Yore - The Aberdeen Weekend - Rangers FC - FollowFollow.com

You're just a little bit deluded, aren't you? Who attacked Rangers fans in Manchester? And lice don't count.

Wirelessly posted (SonyEricssonK770i/R8BC Browser/NetFront/3.3 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1) Who- drahcirv1 When- about 10 minutes ago Where- Crown Street Doing- driving a large green Japanese car. I waved but he either didn't see me or was ignoring me. I was driving the other way.

My liver is really fucking scared of this gig.

Mine would be similar but I'd put Duff in at CB and Derek Young at RB.