PaulDW Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Trust you Rory.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Now thats more fucking like it!21st Century Schizoid Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodast Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 King Crimson were too obsessed with being prog though, I think they sound superficial at times (like in Moonchild), which Genesis never do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 actually 80's genesis is not as bad as some people think, i reckon they deserve recognition mind for going through so many line up changes and remaining popular for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzdiablo Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 there was that advert for the greatest hits collection on tv around christmassome of those songs in the ad were surprisingly pleasantcan anyone who saw it give me any of the names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 King Crimson were too obsessed with being prog though' date=' I think they sound superficial at times (like in Moonchild), which Genesis never do [/quote']Hehehe, King Crimson were never really a part of the prog thing, you dont seem to get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Hehehe' date=' King Crimson were never really a part of the prog thing, you dont seem to get that.[/quote']I'm not sure any band of that era was part of the 'prog thing' that was a label pretty much stuck on after the event - the prog tag didnlt come until most of these bands hadreleased a few alums. genesis, KC, Yes etc were just rock bands when they came out the label was put on later. However KC did try and make their music as complicated as possible, sometimes at the detriment of the music. Gnesis had the advantage of knowing that sometimes less is more.. I know taht many members of King Crimson also feel that the biggest problem was similarto what imo ELP suffered rom which was the overindulgence and the ability to not seem to know when to end a piece. My favorite era of King Crimson is the era with John Wetton singing, I love Starless and Bookm of Saturday, Werron went on to sing in the muchly underated Asia. King Crimson are an underated band and have contributed much but there are oother bands who i feel are more criminally overlooked such as Van De Graff Generator, Greenslade and Gentle Giant. cbeers Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Ah Genesis.I have the video from the Invisible Touch album at home, some top tunes.Land of Confusion was fantastic, particularly the video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marillionboy Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I must disagree with Sophie Bodast actually on one thing: Genesis 1967-78, not 77, were the best band ever!Greatest hits ad: Follow You Follow me was on it, can't remember what else but probably No Son of Mine and Turn It On Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 King Crimson (1969) is the best band of all time' date=' ever!!![/quote']Whats Robert Fripp doing standing up while playing!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 However KC did try and make their music as complicated as possible' date=' sometimes at the detriment of the music. Gnesis had the advantage of knowing that sometimes less is more.. I know taht many members of King Crimson also feel that the biggest problem was similarto what imo ELP suffered rom which was the overindulgence and the ability to not seem to know when to end a piece. [/quote']Eh?I dont know why you have this opinion that KC tried/try to be as complicated as possible, go 'listen' again. Or where you got the info about many members thinking it was over indulgent etc!?With both points you are incorrect. Heh, I take back the prog thing comment, i guess you're right about it being called that after. Wasn't it called 'Art Rock' at the time? Funny how genre names get taken over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Whats Robert Fripp doing standing up while playing!?His stool is there, but in the early months of KC he did indeed stand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Eh?I dont know why you have this opinion that KC tried/try to be as complicated as possible' date=' go 'listen' again. Or where you got the info about many members thinking it was over indulgent etc!?With both points you are incorrect. [/quote']Erm - I got it from ex-members of King Crimson John Wetton is the one I spoke to specifically about it several years ago to be precise who IIRC said "Fripp is a genius, he's be even more of a genius if he knew when to stop". I am aware of several other members who think similar things. I've been listening to KC for many years ever since i got a 4 cd boxset who's name is lost on me and they are overindulgent, some amazing tunees etc in there but masked between a lot of other stuff that is OTT. The one nit I have been impressed with Frip[p is in his business sense in turning KC into a viable and profitable business with stuff such as the bootleg series, a model sevreal other bands including Marillion now use for cash injection. CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 i like phil collins' voice. hate that Genesis though. hate 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Heh' date=' I take back the prog thing comment, i guess you're right about it being called that after. Wasn't it called 'Art Rock' at the time? Funny how genre names get taken over...[/quote']One of the things that i've always enjoyed about many bands in this genre is that they've never tried to be anything other than what they want to be, they've gone out there and played the music that they want to play and the genre's been tagged on afterwards. Neo prog is a prime example, interesting rant on the dprp : http://www.dprp.net/vision/index.php?id=13 CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Erm - I got it from ex-members of King Crimson John Wetton is the one I spoke to specifically about it several years ago to be precise who IIRC said "Fripp is a genius' date=' he's be even more of a genius if he knew when to stop". I am aware of several other members who think similar things. I've been listening to KC for many years ever since i got a 4 cd boxset who's name is lost on me and they are overindulgent, some amazing tunees etc in there but masked between a lot of other stuff that is OTT. The one nit I have been impressed with Frip[p is in his business sense in turning KC into a viable and profitable business with stuff such as the bootleg series, a model sevreal other bands including Marillion now use for cash injection. CheersStuart[/quote']Hmm, have you read what John Wetton says in the KC book? Name the other several disgruntled members:P I can think of two, Gordon Haskell and Boz Burrell.KC were not overindulgent, simple as that. Genesis would not have become the band they did had KC not been born.*sorry I'm in a bad mood today, hence my nit picking/argumentative posts* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester1470 Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Hmm' date=' have you read what John Wetton says in the KC book? Name the other several disgruntled members:P I can think of two, Gordon Haskell and Boz Burrell.KC were not overindulgent, simple as that. Genesis would not have become the band they did had KC not been born.[/quote']No i haven't read the KC book, just what John said to me in a long conversation a few years ago. I would be more inclined to believe what was said in casual conversation than in a book where people usually praise each other. I'm not disagreeing in any way on the influentialness of KC as an entity and they were potentially the band that spawned much of the genre, but I still feel that the advantage Genesis had was that they didn't take it so far. Then again the whole thing about this genre is that it often appeals to many different people in many different ways. CheersStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zeenat Aman Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 No i haven't read the KC book' date=' just what John said to me in a long conversation a few years ago. I would be more inclined to believe what was said in casual conversation than in a book where people usually praise each other. I'm not disagreeing in any way on the influentialness of KC as an entity and they were potentially the band that spawned much of the genre, but I still feel that the advantage Genesis had was that they didn't take it so far. Then again the whole thing about this genre is that it often appeals to many different people in many different ways. CheersStuart[/quote']You should read the book 'In the Court of King Crimson' by Sid Smith. Good for an inside history of the band and its unusual ways of doing things, nearly all past and present members were involved(it aint full of praise and ass kissing I assure you). and good cos it also gives a realistic reflection of what being in a band at that time was like.Anyway, I'm off to listen to Gentle Giant: Three Friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodast Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I think Jesus He Knows Me was on the ad as well, qzdiablo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qzdiablo Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 hey thanks for the help people"turn it on again" is the song i was after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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