the homeless are lucky...

[Guest tv tanned]

so you didn't have a point then?

thanks for clearing that one up.

[Sue Denim..]

Well said bob.

No one's homeless in Aberdeen.

FACT: Three years ago Aberdeen was declared a 'homeless free' city because they did a cencus at Christmas time in the hostels. No-one checked in over the festive season. AT ANY HOSTEL.

Personally I cannot wait until the law takes these beggars off our streets and I for one will ensure that If I come across one when the new Aberdeen by-law comes into force I will have the law come down on them.

Be aware, it is also an offence to sit and beg next to a cash machine and the police are only too willing to move them on.

Sue.

And if anyone takes offence to this message then sod you. I for one would like to see my city free of people wanting something for nothing and making 18,000 (Evening express source) per annum for praying on the guillable.

[Guest pop-notmyface]

so you didn't have a point then?

thanks for clearing that one up.

sorry, forgot to mention. POINT:the homeless in the uk are pretty lucky(thread title). brutal but simple.

[Guest tv tanned]

simple being the operative word...

[Guest tv tanned]

FACT: Three years ago Aberdeen was declared a 'homeless free' city because they did a cencus at Christmas time in the hostels. No-one checked in over the festive season. AT ANY HOSTEL.

Personally I cannot wait until the law takes these beggars off our streets and I for one will ensure that If I come across one when the new Aberdeen by-law comes into force I will have the law come down on them.

Be aware' date=' it is also an offence to sit and beg next to a cash machine and the police are only too willing to move them on.

Sue.

And if anyone takes offence to this message then sod you. I for one would like to see my city free of people wanting something for nothing and making 18,000 (Evening express source) per annum for praying on the guillable.[/quote']

What a pile of shit.

You have taken a knee-jerk article in the Evening Express, which had no basis for its use of the 18,000 figure whatsoever, and have used it to categorise every single homeless person in Aberdeen.

A little like branding all muslims terorrists really.

Perhaps if people were less led by the hysteria of the media then we would be in a little less of a mess as a society.

Personally I would find it mighty ironic if your life ever put you in the position of being homeless and in despair, I wonder how you would like pious tits with cosy lives judging you for your circumstances.

[Guest allsystemsfail]

Personally I cannot wait until the law takes these beggars off our streets and I for one will ensure that If I come across one when the new Aberdeen by-law comes into force I will have the law come down on them.

Sue.

And if anyone takes offence to this message then sod you. I for one would like to see my city free of people wanting something for nothing and making 18' date='000 (Evening express source) per annum for praying on the guillable.[/quote']

Your compassion knows no bounds.

And a suggestion - don't believe everything you read in the press. I have friends who have worked with the homeless, and who know the real deal.

[Guest Salty]

oh no!

I believe that Shelter confirmed that there are some who are not homeless but who have severe housing problems' date=' or other problems which lead to them sleeping rough.

I suppose you think that homelessness is all just a conspiracy by charitable organisations such as Shelter in order that they can make money while perpetuating their myth.

Thatcher's children [/quote']

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

...and then the Charming Prince married Princess Rebecca in the crystal castle and all was well in Fairyland. Try watching a documentary on the 80's that isn't about Duran Duran and Transformers.

[Guest Bob]

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

She certainly sorted this country (Scotland) out. Then we sorted her the fuck out. Quite right too.

Maybe if you'd experienced some genuine hardship' date=' you wouldn't post such nonsense.[/quote']

No, I'd post more sensibly from the comfort of a Cafe with a Wi-Fi modem connection.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

sorry' date=' forgot to mention. POINT:the homeless in the uk are pretty lucky(thread title). brutal but simple.[/quote']

Lucky is finding a tenner in the pocket of a jacket you haven't worn in a while, not merely barely surviving. Why do these threads always become so black and white? Isn't it the case that SOME beggars may be chancers and SOME genuinely are really down on their luck...or are they lucky? I can't tell.

[*Amy*]

My favourite; walking down George St minding my own business and this absolute junkie right in my face with a massive scab on his ear asking for money to get to the hospital. Suppose so.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

My favourite; walking down George St minding my own business and this absolute junkie right in my face with a massive scab on his ear asking for money to get to the hospital. Suppose so.

I hope you gave it to him. He obviously had scabbyearinominaitus.

[*Amy*]

I hope you gave it to him. He obviously had scabbyearinominaitus.

Yeah, I felt sorry for him for about 0.9 seconds.

He then put the same act on to this old lady. I seriously thought she was going to shit her pants.

[Guest tv tanned]

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

Let me guess, you don't remember any of the things she did when she was in power huh?

Poll tax? Miners strikes? More unemployed than under Callaghan? Crushing traditional industries like steel? The sinking of the Belgrano when it was sailing away from the conflict area?

No?

Thought not.

[Mr.Tim]

Let me guess' date=' you don't remember any of the things she did when she was in power huh?

Poll tax? Miners strikes? More unemployed than under Callaghan? Crushing traditional industries like steel? The sinking of the Belgrano when it was sailing away from the conflict area?

No?

Thought not.[/quote']

true, very true.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

Let me guess' date=' you don't remember any of the things she did when she was in power huh?

Poll tax? Miners strikes? More unemployed than under Callaghan? Crushing traditional industries like steel? The sinking of the Belgrano when it was sailing away from the conflict area?

No?

Thought not.[/quote']

There was that quote about the individual that summed her up perfectly (and some of the people on this thread, really):

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour." (M. Thatcher, Woman's Own, October 31, 1987)

[Guest tv tanned]

I believe that quoteis best summarised in the following manner.

"I'm alright Jack"

[Flossie T Sheep]

sure. winter is a deadly season for the homeless' date=' because youre more likely to die from a really bad cold[/quote']

i think the term you're looking for is "hypothermia" to describe a "really bad cold"

[Frosty Jack]

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

I can't decide if this is scary, or just plain depressing.

"Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it"...

[Cloud]

I can't decide if this is scary' date=' or just plain depressing.

"Those who don't remember the past are condemned to repeat it"...[/quote']

I don't know - I'm of the opinion that Thatcher was a great leader for England, but a disasterous leader of the United Kingdom.

Destroying the Belgrano, that was no different to any of the other atrocities committed by the British over the years, from the bombing of Dresden to both Bloody Sundays.

Poll Tax, again, great idea for the English, but imposing it on Scotland a year early was just typical English arrogance.

Miners strikes? The Tories crushed the Trades Unions, some of whom had immense power - and personally, I'm glad that they did. I have no place in my heart for unions, some of whom seem to exist solely to make life miserable for businesses - and okay, they do have a place, Thatcher reduced their role to what it should be.

All in all, history will remeber her unkindly - but in all fairness, she would've made a great leader of an independent England.

[HummerOfIntenseEvil]

Be aware' date=' it is also an offence to sit and beg next to a cash machine and the police are only too willing to move them on. [/quote']

I would never, ever give money to someone begging next to a cash machine, basically because it is so fucking stupid.

"Got ony spare change pal?"

"Dunno, you got change for a 20?"

Actually I would much rather give a homeless person food or drink than money. At least that way I know I'm not fuelling any addictions. Although saying that, I have given a homeless person half of a big bottle of beer cos I didn't want it anymore. But hopefully it kept him a bit warmer that night.

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

I would never' date=' ever give money to someone begging next to a cash machine, basically because it is so fucking stupid.

"Got ony spare change pal?"

"Dunno, you got change for a 20?"

Actually I would much rather give a homeless person food or drink than money. At least that way I know I'm not fuelling any addictions. Although saying that, I have given a homeless person half of a big bottle of beer cos I didn't want it anymore. But hopefully it kept him a bit warmer that night.[/quote']

True story:

When I was young and easily bought into the crap I read in papers and saw on TV, I was of the impression most homeless people were "coming it". One mild Saturday afternoon a friend and I decided a sporting game of Quasar would be good for the constitution, however, a dark, urine-soaked shadow was soon to sully our day...

As we made our way past "Boots: The Chemist" out of the shadows slithered one of the "Homeless" I had been taught to hate and fear. He looked Irish, or possibly Eastern European and I could feel him psychically probe my pockets for change as he loomed over us.

"Any...Spare...change...for..a...cuppa...tea, son" it hissed. TEA? TEA?! More like heroin cigarettes or a needleful of magic mushrooms! White Lightning or Grant's Vodka!

I mustered every courageous cell in my body. "Begone!" I shouted, "Back, back to whence thou came, knave!"

And away it did sneak, melting into the shadows like an Ice-cream Mars Bar melts into the pavement after that middling stage where it looks really like runny dog shit. I had saw through it's web of foul lies and deceit and cast it into the depths in which it belonged...

...until I saw the same dude drinking tea in a Burger King later that day on his own. Yes, I was a fucking arsehole, wasn't I?

[Flossie T Sheep]

There was that quote about the individual that summed her up perfectly (and some of the people on this thread' date=' really):

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then to look after our neighbour." (M. Thatcher, Woman's Own, October 31, 1987)[/quote']

i think when she meant "looked after ourselves", she meant the Tory-voting upper middle class people living in England

[Sue Denim..]

Let me guess' date=' you don't remember any of the things she did when she was in power huh?

Poll tax? Miners strikes? More unemployed than under Callaghan? Crushing traditional industries like steel? The sinking of the Belgrano when it was sailing away from the conflict area?

No?

Thought not.[/quote']

Maybe I'm a little better qualified to put a point in here since I did serve 2 tours in the Falklands.

Firstly, the General Belgrano was not retreating to the Argentine coast. She was ordered to head west and wait off west Falkland and wait for the rest of her fleet. On the way she was hit by our nuclear submarine.

Secondly, it carried Exorcet missiles capable of taking out our aircraft carriers. Once taken out of the conflict, the rest of the Argentine navy returned to port winning us the naval battle. Surely a class move by Margaret Thatcher I'd say.

Ref the Miners strikes, was it wise to pay 5 times more for British coal or import it from abroad? You tell me.

Poll tax. A perfectly good system that just needs adjusted. Why should a family with a big house pay more for public services than a family living in a flat? We all use the same services. The only problem with the old poll tax was that the Tories made the poor pay it as well. Which I think was outrageous.

Sue.

I love a good stir-up in the morning.

[Flossie T Sheep]

What's wrong with Thatcher? She sorted this country out then the Torries chucked her out basically and Major and Blair came and ruined it all.

you sound like you were too young to actually understand how shit a country Britain was to live in during her time in power but yeah she was a lovely woman she was;)

she used riot police to intimidate and attack people striking for better rates of pay, she also removed the unions so people were forced to accept what they were being given and go back to work. she removed many industries that were costing the government money so ultimately that meant people losing their jobs and deregulating public-owned utilities and services like British Telecom and British Gas and privatising them so that meant that fatcats could hike up their prices to use these services they now owned and line their own fucking pockets! don't believe me?, then go look up the name Geoffrey Robinson and find out for yourself

there was also a lot of unemployment around that time as well and especially around the area i came from, people were barely scraping by on the social security money they were getting, she never seemed to truly give a shit about the people who were out of work, her government was only ever about removing anyone opposing her decisions and making the rich get richer by reducing income tax for the people earning higher incomes and then on top of that, she goes and introduces the poll tax, a tax that was last imposed way back in the fucking Dark Ages!, that one explained a lot about her mentality, i was surprised she didn't impose decisions to start beheading people in the Tower Of London or hanging people at Traitor's Gate sometimes, not only content with making the working classes pay income taxes that continued to rise every single year, she goes and introduces another tax as well!

yeah she really sorted out everything

for the record, John Major was only voted into power because people had gotten tired of Thatcher and Tony Blair only got voted in because people were tired of Britain being ruled by Conservatives for the best part of 20 years, and it doesn't matter who got voted in either because its the same set of rules that are applied but under a different coloured banner;)