Guest allsystemsfail Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 For those who post here and wanna stop the National Front from marching here in Aberdeen next month, there's gonna be a protest outside the Town House on Broad Street this coming Monday, starting 1pm. The protest has been called (by Aberdeen United Against Fascism) as the city council's licencing committee will be meeting Monday to decide as to whether to permit the NF march to go ahead or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 I would like to, but it is difficult for me to get there.I'll see if I can find a lift from Inverurie to the town, that's about my only hope!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tristen Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 God, more hippys disrupting the flow of society... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible Lead Soup Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 God' date=' more hippys disrupting the flow of society...[/quote']Now now, we can't let the fascists rise to power, can we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Is this the same plan by Bill Wright to obstruct Broad Street that was in the paper a few nights ago?if so, he should wise the fuck up - marches are bad enough when done through the proper, legal channels, but causing illegal obstruction just makes me think "what's their agenda?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 That would be Bill KnightAnd I'm sure when many pensioners were defending the Jews in the 40's they weren't subjected to idiots wondering 'what the fuck they're playing at'...These people have seen first hand what fascism can do when it goes unopposed and unchecked.Just be mindful... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 I'm very bad at street names...erm... where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Broad StreetWhere Marischal College and St Nicholas House are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Broad StreetWhere Marischal College and St Nicholas House are.How handy...I live off broad street*feels like an idiot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarmaTsunami Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 i don't get back from edinburgh until half two bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tristen Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 As far as I'm concerned protestors should get a nice spray with a riot truck hose. Let me tell you a little story...Back about a year and a half ago I was studying in Glasgow. Glasgow got one of the really big Anti-war protests which happened throughout the course of the day in a big square. Now I had people down visiting me and a couple of uni friends with me and we'd all arranged to go out and meet up for lunch in a pub on that square. Got there only to find the place was absoultely packed with drunk protestors shouting and generally being a complete pain in the ass. Anyway we were forced to cancel out lunch plans (not very fair I think) and decided to go somewhere else (not fair on the pub owners). We left and watched the protest - wasn't *too* bad... noisy but atleast tame enough, apart from some twats with a megaphone. Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldnt a megaphone count as disruptive behaviour by the sheer volume of it?? So we wandered around, listened to what some people were saying. Then we noticed that the traffic was piled back for several blocks. We decided to speak to some of the people caught up in it. We went up to a car and knocked on the window. The guy rolled it down and we asked him more about himself and the situation. Basically the guy was a doctor who was on his way home from a 12 hour shift, he had flowers in the car for his wife to celebrate their wedding aniversary, the meal for which she'd prepared was now going cold back home. He'd been stuck in that jam for over and hour. Now he himself was opposed to the war but instead chose to spend his day working hard. What right did any of those protestors have to hold that man hostage? And thats what he was. He couldnt leave his car and he couldn't go on. At this stage some cars behind him tried to mount the square and drive across to the other side which was clear, but some random ladys surrounded them and refused to let them move. We actually removed the people in question and allowed the cars to continue. Over the next hour we saw a bus pelted with eggs and cans so that the driver had to abandon the bus and leave on foot, hundreds of cars bought to a halt, bus routes screwed which Im sure made people late for work etc not to mention disruption to the neighbouring pubs and houses.Basically protestors are selfish bastards. If you want to protest while doing something USEFUL go and clean up a beach or tidy up a park or plant some trees or SOMETHING which isn't a selfish excuse to run riot and feel betters about yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 yesyour one solitary personal example has made me see that protesting against things I think are wrong is folly.I accept that there are numpties who involve themselves in these things, but that doesn't mean that everyone who is seeking to protest should be tarred with the same brush does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tristen Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 yesyour one solitary personal example has made me see that protesting against things I think are wrong is folly.I accept that there are numpties who involve themselves in these things' date=' but that doesn't mean that everyone who is seeking to protest should be tarred with the same brush does it?[/quote']I am sure most people that go to these things are well intentioned, but its all so misguided. Disruption of the lives/routines of people who have nothing to do with the problem is not the way to go about doing things. I was also in Amsterdam at much the same time and there were some, though much lesser protests there. The group we saw went to a kind of barren grass area by the side of a road and spend two days building a park there with benches and a little fountain and plaque dedicated to peaceful conflict resolution.Surely you agree something like that is a much better way? Hell I would be impressed if you all went and did something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 I don't know what is planned on broad street, but I imagine it will not disrupt the flow of traffic. I could be wrong of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Considering all the road works around the broad street area.... if they did block it.... christ, it'd be chaos... and I'd leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 It was in the paper that they intended on blocking Broad Street - I'll need to find it, but it was something along the lines of (as a quote from this Bill chap) "we will stop the buses getting through".I'm intending on going along and seeing for myself first hand what happening. As far as I'm concerned, if they're intent on using force to break the NF, then they're contributing to the problem of fascism - after all, everything I've seen written about fascism suggests that it's prone to using force to achieve their goals, which is exactly what these "United Against Fascism" chaps are doing. Personally, if the pensioners went and made lives *better* for people, then they'd attract much more publicity? imagine the reaction..."Aberdeen United Against Fascism choose today to make a positive contribution to people's lives, by helping in the community in many different ways."..much better publicity than "they choose to block off Broad Street in a fit of anti-fascism".where the hell is that copy of the EE with the article in, bah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 so an organisation should do something completely divorced from its aims simply because you hypothesise that they will be violent, despite many of the people I know who are going to protest being avowed pacifists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 http://www.thisisaberdeen.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=148331&command=displayContent&sourceNode=148314&contentPK=10961918&moduleName=InternalSearchso it all gets even murkier...it's sickening the way these groups are trying to circumvent democracy in order to stop the NF. I'm appalled and sickened at this - and the more I read about this Bill Knight chap, the more I'm convinced that he's just another one of those idiots with a hidden agenda. If I was in control of the Trades Council, I'd go about things logically..let the NF march on the Saturday, then go out there and march on the Sunday and show that their numbers vastly outweigh the fascists - therefore showing in a controlled and democratic way that they enjoy the support of far more individuals. No need for violence, no need for massive unscheduled disruption - okay, so I do have a problem with the disruption, but hey, it's a human right to march (apparently..). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 It isn't the fact that there is a march, it is the motives of the organisation which is wishing to march.Why post an article from four weeks ago? What does Bill Knight say in that article that you take umbrage with?Do you have evidence that the protests will be in any way shape or form violent? or are you just making it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 so an organisation should do something completely divorced from its aims simply because you hypothesise that they will be violent' date=' despite many of the people I know who are going to protest being avowed pacifists?[/quote']Surely if they're pacifists, then they should stop the violence?it's a sad fact of life that in this country, there's a history of marches and protests turning violent and ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 It isn't the fact that there is a march' date=' it is the motives of the organisation which is wishing to march.[/quote']But do you not see the point that a left wing organisation motives could just be as bad as a right wing organisations? Living in a socialist state sounds like utter hell to me - does that give me valid grounds to oppose socialists marching? I believe not - they're entitled to march by law, hence it's not for me to stop - it's their beliefs, after all. Why post an article from four weeks ago? What does Bill Knight say in that article that you take umbrage with?I hadn't seen that article before' date=' i'm huntiing down the article about the broad street protests in the paper from a few nights ago. Do you have evidence that the protests will be in any way shape or form violent? or are you just making it up?Stopping buses and traffic from getting through sounds pretty damn violent to me - if I could drive, I'd love to try and drive through the protest just to see the reaction...why do i get the feeling my car would be attacked? anyway, at a time like this, when police resources are stretched enough, do we really need marches and protests to put further strain upon them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tv tanned Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 hence why you should support a ban on the march Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 hey, i support bans on all marches i don't see why anyone has to march down union street - i was against the Orange march, I was against the last Trades march...doesn't make any difference to me what it is - what bothers me is if the NF march is stopped, what next? could democracy be circumvented to stop a nationalist march, for instance? i think, as other people have proposed, let the NF march and let it be forgotten about - and i think the best bloody way to ensure that it's forgotten about is to let these anti-fascists march the next day, ensuring that monday's press and journal/evening express will be about how the anti-fascist march had a massive turnout and how the fascist march was a damp squib..saves a lot of hassle and time, anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachie Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 How handy...I live off broad street*feels like an idiot*I was about to mention that. Silly munchkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flossie T Sheep Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 hence why you should support a ban on the march is there anything you support that doesn't involve people being banned in some description or another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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