vega Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 isn't it the case that if he really likes your sound, and wants to work for you, he will do it for what you can afford (he's american?....liberal fag!)I can remember a story that he came to Galsgow to record a scottish band if they paid his flights and accomodation...but that might be a twisted memory or wishful thinking.(side note - Maple nearly had alex newport engineer / produce or LP...I'd sent him a mail, and he liked our stuff...and he asked for flights & accomodation + a grand...but we couldn't afford that)...bugger.I honestly don't know the situation with Albini and payment and stuff. The poker forum thread might have something.Which band in Glasgow was that?Alex Newport is super good. The MMISL album sounds freakin' awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huw Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I honestly don't know the situation with Albini and payment and stuff. The poker forum thread might have something.Which band in Glasgow was that?Alex Newport is super good. The MMISL album sounds freakin' awesome.did they not ask for fans to donate for that? anybody know how much they paid in the end?the guitars sit so nicely on top of everything... but the bass sounds amazing, been trying and failing to recreate that for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartmaxwell Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 senator certainly did an album with him, but they were edinburgh and I think they went out to the USA.off the top of my head MMISL paid Newport to come over, a studio and his time. i *think* it was around 3kdont hold me to this though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted November 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 The reference to Fray Bentos pies is connected to comments Nicky Wire made about Jamie Oliver at the last Manics gig they played in Aberdeen (which I enjoyed actually). Ah right, I do actually remember that comment now, apologies.On the new album front, apparently one of the new tunes is rather fantastically entitled 'Jackie Collin's Existential Question Time'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Why is 15 years later 'the right time' to release an album using old Edwards lyrics? The whole thing smacks of a last ditch attempt to regain some kind of credibility. It all seems a bit desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Hello peeps! I am really looking forward to the new Manics album and think it is very brave of them to be using Richeys lyrics. All the best with it lads! I'm a massive Manics fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Just wondering if any posters on this forum have seen the No Manifestos documentary screening and if so what they thought about it? Haven't seen it myself but hear it was interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I think over the past few years I can genuinely say I have become an ex-Manics fan, and this from someone who has everything they released from the UK Channel Boredom flexi to Know Your Enemy. For me, they have been pish since EMG.Having said all that, I'd be very interested in hearing an Albini produced (sorry, recorded) return to Richey's self-disgust as self-obsession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Aaaaaaw no! How can you say they've been pish since EMG? I think they've just got better and better myself. I like the different moods of the albums. Let's face it, they are one hell of an amazing experience live even if you're not into the newer stuff so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Why is 15 years later 'the right time' to release an album using old Edwards lyrics? The whole thing smacks of a last ditch attempt to regain some kind of credibility. It all seems a bit desperate.couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Personally, I think more the people who were friends with the man for about twenty years are a better judge of the most appropriate thing to do with the lyrics than anybody else. I think accusing them of using the lyrics their missing friend wrote to try and 'regain credibility' is more than slightly off.I also can't think who they'd be trying to gain credibility from by using the lyrics. Send Away The Tigers was pretty much their most critically successful album for ten years. The people who think they're shit post-Richey aren't going to suddenly start liking them again because his lyrics are on it, and the people who never liked them anyway aren't going to even bother listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 it smacks of a 'mid life crisis' maybe they've run out of ideas. however it might, just might work, would certainly give it the benefit of the doubt being a fan of albini and richey edwards lyrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Desperation for what though? They're doing it as a sort of dedication to their friend due to the fact that he left them those lyrics but if they didn't have those they'd still be carrying on and making great music like they always have done. They've never lost any credibility in my eyes. Bands like the Manics don't come around very often, I feel sorry for those who don't appreciate them but that's life. I just get on with enjoying them and nearly getting crushed to death at their gigs sort of thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 i think i was always disappointed they didnt do what they originally said and split up after the first album. then again we would never have had 'the holy bible'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Desperation for what though? They're doing it as a sort of dedication to their friend due to the fact that he left them those lyrics but if they didn't have those they'd still be carrying on and making great music like they always have done. They've never lost any credibility in my eyes. Bands like the Manics don't come around very often, I feel sorry for those who don't appreciate them but that's life. I just get on with enjoying them and nearly getting crushed to death at their gigs sort of thing!Why not do it just after he disappeared then? Why do you 'feel sorry' for those who don't enjoy them? There's multitudes of bands out there making better music than them these days. They've hardly been the major force in modern music have they?You have the most non-balanced viewpoint since Swinging Ryan - speaking of whom - just because their last album received more critical acclaim than the previous ones doesn't make it a work of genius, it could be seen as marginally less shit than the other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 You have the most non-balanced viewpoint since Swinging Ryan - speaking of whom - just because their last album received more critical acclaim than the previous ones doesn't make it a work of genius' date=' it could be seen as marginally less shit than the other ones.[/quote']If at any point I'd described SATT as 'a work of genius' then this would be a brilliant point. Unfortunately I did not.I shall have another go at my point though as I'd hate to confuse. To say the Manics are trying to regain credibility is ludicrous as they don't really have anyone to 'win over'. The Manics are not going to create a whole new legion of fans at this point in their career, they managed to change the general consensus of the mainstream music media (NME etc) with their last album. They're not the kind of band that's going to have Pitchfork and 'indie-bloggers' going mad for them (although Pitchfork did actually give TIMTTMY 9.5/10), so I cannot see in any way who they'd be trying to impress or gain 'credibility' from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 If at any point I'd described SATT as 'a work of genius' then this would be a brilliant point. Unfortunately I did not..You did however state that it was their most critically acclaimed album in years which is what I referred to, I never said you had declared it 'a work of genius' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted November 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 You did however state that it was their most critically acclaimed album in years which is what I referred to, I never said you had declared it 'a work of genius'Um, ok. Well I agree with you that just because an album is a bands most critically acclaimed in years, it doesn't mean it's good, I'd imagine most people with a brain would agree with that but it's good to clarify However I think Send Away The Tigers is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 However I think Send Away The Tigers is good.And that is your right sir. I bought it as a present for my other half, I haven't listened to the whole thing but from what I've heard it didn't make me want to listen again.I dare say my other half will want the new one and i'll probably give it a go, i'm still not convinced as to why after all these years they have now decided to resurrect Richey lyrics and get Albini in on the act but hey ho, let's see how it pans out.The question is, does anyone think that their label will let it out as Albini intended.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 I stand by my claim that everything after EMG is piddle. And THB is my favourite record of all time.I may be old. Curses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Each to their own and all that, but the Manics will always be my favourite band and they haven't disappointed me yet. Can't imagine listening to SATT and not enjoying it but there you go! JDB - Best voice in the business. Hope the No Manifestos documentary will be released on DVD at some point cos I'm itching to see it now! Always appreciated the fact that Scotland has had a fondness for them over the years, even if they did get banned from T In The Park which I still find a bit bizzarre! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingin' Ryan Posted November 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 The question is, does anyone think that their label will let it out as Albini intended....That is a good question but I think Sony have always been pretty good about letting the Manics do what they want though. This is the last album on their Sony contract and they've said in interviews recently that after this they'll probably release things themselves on a smaller scale. From what I've heard this new album itself probably will not be a particularly conventional album release and they don't plan on releasing any singles from the album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Centric Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yeah, not sure how they will go about the promotion with this album. It sounds like they are getting themselves fired up for their tour dates in Asia which should be amazing gigs. Looking forward to seeing any pics or short vids of them posted on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 i'd like to think that sony having made so much money out of them over the years will be courteous enough to let them release the final album of the deal how the band and producer intend... mind you this is the music industry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Zero Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 But while Sony may have been accomodating to their whims whilst still serving their time, they could be nervous about a potentially uncommercial venture that will only appeal to the more hardcore fanbase, a more commercial outing could be a nice last money spinner for Sony....time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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