Guns...

[Cloud]

Herion is already prescribed to drug addicts in a number of European countries, such as Switzerland and the Netherlands. Trials are currently been carried out in Germany and in the UK on a smaller scale. All are said to be great sucesses and makes it easier for addicts to control their addiction.

Drugs on the streets are of the worse quality with many other ingrediants which harm people more than the drug itself.

I am not in favour of selling herion in shops, I merely think that it should be prescribed to addicts by doctors. It it much safer for the addict, cuts down drug-related crime (i.e robbery and such).

What happens if the addict desires more but can't get any because the doctor says no?

I don't disagree with providing drugs to people as part of a rehab course, but otherwise, it's a bad idea.

There is no reason to think drug dealing would continue while Herion is prescribed.

So how would these addicts get addicted? And what about other drugs?

I don't know anything about this but free movement of people will be retained between EU member states.

Do you really think the French are going to say "oui!" to having an open door if a country is willingly handing out hard drugs to people? They refused to implement Schengen to the Benelux for a while because of the drug problem - so unless you control the availability of the drugs, the plans are doomed to cause a lot of trouble. Restricting access to the drugs means you're creating a market for drug dealers, so what's it to be?

No, it wouldn't

Prescribed herion probably should be taken in special herion centres, like methadone usually is.

What, round the side of the local chemist?

Prescription charges? I am not aware what usually happens when someone cannot afford to pay for their prescription.

The cost for the taxpayer is much greater with the organised crime by drug gangs and oppertunist crime by addicts.

We must face the facts that availablity of guns is related to drugs and until we do something about drugs the guns wont disappear.

So in other words, the taxpayer is going to percieve that they're paying for people to get high on drugs. Regardless of how you look at it, the Daily Wail is going to scream blue murder about TAXPAYERS MONEY USED TO FUND ADDICTION - which means it's a guaranteed vote loser.

[Alkaline]

Can we not combine the two elements of this thread and give people who want guns them but on the basis that they can only shoot drug addicts who can't be bothered getting clean.

Incentives for both sides, i think so.

[The Milner]

exactly as HMRC does to people arriving from Amsterdam.

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rubbish ive been there twice and never had any problems coming back, never searched stopped asked questions or anything, despite looking like id spent the last two days eating mushrooms and smoking weed, not that i was mind...

[GraemeC]

Isn't it funny that because of the actions of one maniac the legal possession of handguns is denied to the thousands of people in the UK who derived pleasure from target shooting, but the far more respectable sport of bird murdering is left to continue un-molested even though the weapon of choice for armed criminals for many years was the sawn off shotgun...no bias there then!

I could also mention the old fav topic of upset on these message boards...fags...known to kill hundreds of thousands of users and those around them...and what penalty is foisted on these murderers?...take that outside....o_O

I must admit to feeling quite strongly that after the horrible horrible event at Dunblane that was the reason for the ban, I also felt that legislation should be put in place so legal guns wouldn't be the cause of death or injury ever again. A thorough psychiatric screening of firearms certificate holders and applicants would have been my first step....and even the need for all guns to be held at gun club premises rather than a ban should have been considered.

I also feel that if we get rid of drugs the guns would sort themselves out.

[Cloud]

rubbish ive been there twice and never had any problems coming back, never searched stopped asked questions or anything, despite looking like id spent the last two days eating mushrooms and smoking weed, not that i was mind...

that's because you permanently look like that

[Hardcore Mel]

There is no reason to think drug dealing would continue while Herion is prescribed.

I wanna know what herion is.

You really think there'd be no drug dealing if heroin was available by prescription? So what about things like Valium, Diazapam, Vicodin, even Viagra, etc which are available by prescription but still get sold on the black market? People would have to prove they were addicted to heroin before they could get a prescription. Doctors wouldn't just be prescribing heroin to folk who just wanted to try it. So there'd still be a black market for it.

Drug dealing wouldn't just go away. What about other drugs like Cocaine or Ketamine, which people use recreationally? There's no medical justification for prescribing those types of drugs, but people still want to take them.

[HairyScaryMark]

I wanna know what herion is.

You really think there'd be no drug dealing if heroin was available by prescription? So what about things like Valium, Diazapam, Vicodin, even Viagra, etc which are available by prescription but still get sold on the black market? People would have to prove they were addicted to heroin before they could get a prescription. Doctors wouldn't just be prescribing heroin to folk who just wanted to try it. So there'd still be a black market for it.

Drug dealing wouldn't just go away. What about other drugs like Cocaine or Ketamine, which people use recreationally? There's no medical justification for prescribing those types of drugs, but people still want to take them.

I was referring to the dealing of herion disappearing, as with the illegal dealing of cigerettes and alchohol being realtively small trades, currently (despite some reported cases in recent times).

Crack and Cocain can be prescribed also and should have similar effects on dealing towards addicts. Recreational dealing is usually seen to not be as great a problem as that towards addicts. Major dealers are the ones who are known to carry weapons, as was the reason I mentioned this.

In Scotland at least, Herion is the big problem with drug addicts. Some places in England have bigger problems with other drugs but in Scotland it is herion.

I am not aware of movement restrictions on people entering from Amsterdam, many people come to and from there every day without being searched. I seem to get searched, most times I fly, irrespective of where I go. Especially if I haven't shaved recently. I have no reason to think France would impose movement restrictions against people entering the UK, as they haven't done so towards people entering from Switzerland or the Netherlands. I didn't see any occupied border patrols when I went over the Switzerland/France border, a number of years a go.

[pogofish]

What happens when the smackhead who's been buying legal heroin can't afford to get any? Are you seriously suggesting that the taxpayer should be paying for someone to get out of their face on drugs? That would be a vote winner, definitely...

Have you any idea just how cheap legal heroin or other non-patent opiates are? They are not likley to be getting any dearer anytime soon either as there is so much opiate in the system as it is. Indeed, large scale incineration was being discussed as the next step to reducing the national stockpile.

There is a strong commercial vested interest in keeping things as they are - especially from political vested interests & companies selling off the peg & highly profitable methadone & other addiction-supressing drug treatment programmes. Which are only at best a very limited part of any solution.

TBH, almost all of the personal & wider social aspects of addiction are directly attributable to illegality & the cost of maintaing even an uncontrolled/criminally-active addict is highly likely to be a mere fraction of their current cost to the taxpayer.

Also remember that back when heroin prescription was allowed, we had one of the lowest levels of problem addiction in Europe - the exact opposite of our current situation. In the countries where prescribing is practiced, the typical profile of an addict is someone in their forties & getting older who got addicted a long time back, whilst in the UK, it is a 19/20yr old & getting younger, so there is indeed some considerable evidence that prescribing works well at interuppting the addiction-forming process in the first place.

[GraemeC]

methadone & other addiction-supressing drug treatment programmes.

Sorry to pull you up on this but methadone is neither an addiction suppressant nor is it a treatment, methadone is a substitute, is as deadly an opiate as heroin and is prescribed because it looks like medicine and is legal, it lowers the crime rate!!

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[Hardcore Mel]

I was referring to the dealing of herion disappearing, as with the illegal dealing of cigerettes and alchohol being realtively small trades, currently (despite some reported cases in recent times).

Crack and Cocain can be prescribed also and should have similar effects on dealing towards addicts. Recreational dealing is usually seen to not be as great a problem as that towards addicts. Major dealers are the ones who are known to carry weapons, as was the reason I mentioned this.

In Scotland at least, Herion is the big problem with drug addicts. Some places in England have bigger problems with other drugs but in Scotland it is herion.

You still haven't cleared up what herion is. Is it like cake?

You still haven't looked at the fact that dealing will still exist as you would only be able to get prescribed heroin if doctors felt it necessary to do so. So all the people who don't fall into that category would still have to buy it illegally.

Actually in Scotland right now, crystal meth is becoming a bigger problem than heroin. Especially in Aberdeen.

[GraemeC]

I know....Give me a gun, I'll shoot all the junkies and the dealers... problem solved..

It'll take a lot of ammunition but hell it'll be a lot cheaper that giving the smackheads free junk eh?

[Stripey]

So, some typically brain-dead aberdeen city councillor is proposing making airguns illegal in aberdeen. BBC NEWS | Scotland | North East/N Isles | Aberdeen has airgun ban in sights

Perhaps if he spent more time dealing with the social problems in his area (seaton) instead of making up retarded ideas like this there wouldn't be a problem with airgun attacks in the first place. It would be really interesting to see the actual statistics on just how many airgun related incidents there have been in the last year, probably countable on the fingers of 1 hand, compared with how many bottlings, beatings and muggings occurred.

[Guest Tam o' Shantie]

I agree, and if you could possibly get rid of the illegal immigrants and homosexual people too that'd be great, cheers

[GraemeC]

I agree, and if you could possibly get rid of the illegal immigrants and homosexual people too that'd be great, cheers

Consider it done...just to clarify, its just the ILLEGAL immigrants you want "done"...?

[Guest Neutral]

Consider it done...just to clarify, its just the ILLEGAL immigrants you want "done"...?

I think hes talking about any non-white, am i white or am i wrong?

[GraemeC]

I think hes talking about any non-white, am i white or am i wrong?

I have no colour prejudice, i'll shoot em whatever colour they are...