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aye, SMN are always posting bulletains ECT. i thought they were legit :o

Nah my mates went to play with them and as soon as they got there, the guy opened the door with a basket and just said; '60 quid right now, or your not playing'. They hadn't sold 60 quid in tickets so they walked offrefusing to pay the extra.

Of course they advertise on myspace, how else would they find young naive bands to take advantage of?

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good piont, thats a bit shit... i dont have a problem with bands being asked if they want to sell tickets or anything, but aslong as they get payed regardless.

Aye, i dont mind selling tickets if we are playing an RFR or DF gig because you are supporting a top quality act. When it comes to 4 bands that nobody ahs ever heard, i cant be assed shifting tickets.

Another one of my college mates said when they played a twisted ape gig, they played with a band of 12 year olds who sold 1 ticket.

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From our hotyounggirlspace 5 minutes ago....

Hi project:venhell

Please find a list of dates we have in the following venues in Glasgow. If you are interested in playing any of these dates please get in touch and we will tell you the various band deals we have for these venues.

The Closing date for SMN and Rockers battle of the bands is Friday the 19th of January if you are interested in playing at this event full details is on the myspace site including the up dated prizes for the winners and runners up.

The dates we have are as follows

Rockers Are 18+ gigs

Full Back Line Supplied

17th Jan 3 bands needed (free to play gig)

23rd Jan 3 bands required Indie /Rock

24th Jan 2 bands required Indie / Rock

30th Jan 2 bands required Indie / Rock

5th Feb 4 bands required Punk / Ska / Pop Punk

6th Feb 4 bands required Indie / Rock

7th Feb 4 bands required Alternative / New Wave

12th Feb 4 bands required Indie / Rock

13th Feb 4 bands required Rock / Metal

14th Feb 5 bands required Pop Punk / Power Pop / Pop

15th Feb 3 bands required Indie / Rock

20th Feb 5 bands required Indie / Rock

21st Feb 4 bands required Rock / Metal

22nd Feb 5 bands required Pop Punk / Power Pop

27th Feb 4 acoustic folk bands / artists required

28th Feb 2 Bands Required Indie

1st Mar 5 Rock / Metal bands required

6th Mar 5 Indie / Rock bands required

7th Mar 5 Rock bands required

8th Mar 5 Indie / Rock bands required

13th Mar 5 Alternative bands required

14th Mar 5 Pop punk / Power pop bands required

15th Mar 5 Indie Rock bands required

20th Mar 5 Metal bands required

21st Mar 5 Acoustic Folk Bands / Artists required

22nd Mar 5 Indie Rock Bands Required

27th Mar 5 Pop Punk / Power pop bands required

28th Mar 5 indie / Rock bands required

29th Mar 5 Rock / Metal bands required

Barfly 18+ gigs

Bands supply and share back line between them

15th Jan 1 Indie / Rock band required

21st Jan 1 pop punk / power pop band required

4th Feb 1 band required

18th Feb 1 Rock Metal band required

19th Feb 2 bands required

Classic Grand 18+

Full back line Supplied

3rd Apr 4 Indie Rock bands required

10th Apr 4 alternative bands required

10th May 4 Indie / Rock bands required

17th May 4 pop punk / Power pop bands required

If interested in any of the above please get in touch as the dates go fast.

----------------- Original Message -----------------

From: Scottish Music Network

Date: Jan 12 2007 3:02 AM

Pay to play is worse than cancer.

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17th Jan 3 bands needed (free to play gig)

Oooh look, a free to play gig, how generous of them.

And the Classic Grand, is that not where Alec Downie from NEMIS is managing/booking. You'd think he'd know better.

edit: It appears that he didn't stay long at the Classic Grand, so the P2P gigs are nothing to do with him. That particular piece of gossip passed me by, must get out more.

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And the Classic Grand, is that not where Alec Downie from NEMIS is managing/booking. You'd think he'd know better.

edit: It appears that he didn't stay long at the Classic Grand, so the P2P gigs are nothing to do with him. That particular piece of gossip passed me by, must get out more.

I think Alec Downie is managing but i know he isn't booking there. I had a chat with one of the new in-hosue promoters and they said they are stopping other folk running nights in that venue and doing themselves...doesn't appear to be the case.

Mind you, that venue is swish!

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I think Alec Downie is managing but i know he isn't booking there. I had a chat with one of the new in-hosue promoters and they said they are stopping other folk running nights in that venue and doing themselves...doesn't appear to be the case.

Mind you, that venue is swish!

If you look at my edit, you'll see that Alec doesn't appear to have anything to do with it now. He's certainly not the manager and, from what I can gather, his stay was fairly brief.

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If you look at my edit, you'll see that Alec doesn't appear to have anything to do with it now. He's certainly not the manager and, from what I can gather, his stay was fairly brief.

To be honest, i dont have a clue how it is making any money. I went for free on opening night as they publicly posted the guest list e-mail address and they gave away free champagne at the door and then at least 1 free drink to everyone who came in.

The 2nd time i went was to a James Bond night - also for free. Here they were giving away free Heineken and free sushi from a pretty expensive Glasweigan sushi restaurant. My flatmate consumed inbetween 60 and 80 quids worth in free sushi.

Only been twice though, they havn't had any real biggish names bands in since the opening night with My Latest Novel and The Grim Northern Social.

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Twisted Ape have the following dates available in February at IVORY BLACKS.

Thu 1st : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 4 bands wanted (any style)

Fri 2nd : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 4 Bands wanted (any style)

Thu 8th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 4 Bands wanted (any style)

Sat 10th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 4 Bands wanted (any style)

Thu 15th : IVORY BLACKS(-18) : 2 bands wanted (rock/alternative)

Fri 16th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 5 bands wanted (any style)

Sat 17th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 5 bands wanted (any style)

Sun 18th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 4 Bands Wanted

Fri 23rd : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 2 bands wanted (any style)

Sun 25th : IVORY BLACKS(18+) : 5 bands wanted (any style)

ANY BAND THAT SELLS 40+ TICKETS AND IMPRESSES TWISTED APE WILL BE ADDED TO THE TOURING SUPPORT LIST AND OFFERED A TOURING SUPPORT.

get back to us asap for dates you want

Twisted Ape

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hey man

would you guys be available to play at IVORY BLACKS on :

THURSDAY 1st FEBRUARY

or

FRIDAY 2nd FEBRUARY

Both shows are 18+ and as it is near the weekend the venue is bound to be packed with folk.

let us know and thanks

McCreadie

Twisted Ape

Yeah mate, im sure it'll be packed with folk!

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hey man

would you guys be available to play at IVORY BLACKS on :

THURSDAY 1st FEBRUARY

or

FRIDAY 2nd FEBRUARY

Both shows are 18+ and as it is near the weekend the venue is bound to be packed with folk.

let us know and thanks

McCreadie

Twisted Ape

Yeah mate, im sure it'll be packed with folk!

Email him asking how much you will get paid:up: ;)

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I got this message too. As soon as I saw the "free to play gig" I deleted the message.

From our hotyounggirlspace 5 minutes ago....

Hi project:venhell

Please find a list of dates we have in the following venues in Glasgow. If you are interested in playing any of these dates please get in touch and we will tell you the various band deals we have for these venues.

The Closing date for SMN and Rockers battle of the bands is Friday the 19th of January if you are interested in playing at this event full details is on the myspace site including the up dated prizes for the winners and runners up.

The dates we have are as follows

Rockers Are 18+ gigs

Full Back Line Supplied

17th Jan 3 bands needed (free to play gig)

23rd Jan 3 bands required Indie /Rock

24th Jan 2 bands required Indie / Rock

30th Jan 2 bands required Indie / Rock

5th Feb 4 bands required Punk / Ska / Pop Punk

6th Feb 4 bands required Indie / Rock

7th Feb 4 bands required Alternative / New Wave

12th Feb 4 bands required Indie / Rock

13th Feb 4 bands required Rock / Metal

14th Feb 5 bands required Pop Punk / Power Pop / Pop

15th Feb 3 bands required Indie / Rock

20th Feb 5 bands required Indie / Rock

21st Feb 4 bands required Rock / Metal

22nd Feb 5 bands required Pop Punk / Power Pop

27th Feb 4 acoustic folk bands / artists required

28th Feb 2 Bands Required Indie

1st Mar 5 Rock / Metal bands required

6th Mar 5 Indie / Rock bands required

7th Mar 5 Rock bands required

8th Mar 5 Indie / Rock bands required

13th Mar 5 Alternative bands required

14th Mar 5 Pop punk / Power pop bands required

15th Mar 5 Indie Rock bands required

20th Mar 5 Metal bands required

21st Mar 5 Acoustic Folk Bands / Artists required

22nd Mar 5 Indie Rock Bands Required

27th Mar 5 Pop Punk / Power pop bands required

28th Mar 5 indie / Rock bands required

29th Mar 5 Rock / Metal bands required

Barfly 18+ gigs

Bands supply and share back line between them

15th Jan 1 Indie / Rock band required

21st Jan 1 pop punk / power pop band required

4th Feb 1 band required

18th Feb 1 Rock Metal band required

19th Feb 2 bands required

Classic Grand 18+

Full back line Supplied

3rd Apr 4 Indie Rock bands required

10th Apr 4 alternative bands required

10th May 4 Indie / Rock bands required

17th May 4 pop punk / Power pop bands required

If interested in any of the above please get in touch as the dates go fast.

----------------- Original Message -----------------

From: Scottish Music Network

Date: Jan 12 2007 3:02 AM

Pay to play is worse than cancer.

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