Dan G Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 I've been listening to a lot of Marty friedman's solo's recently and he frequently uses exotic scales. Anyone else ever use anything other than standard major/minor or standard pentatonic scales?I know it isn't 'cool' to play solos anymore...For instance I have two personal favourites, and they are:kumoi scale (which is a Japanese pentatonic)I - bII - IV - V - bVIit is effectively the phrygian mode but with no 3rd or 7th, so in the key of E it would look like this:D ----------------------2---A ----------0---2---3--------E --0---1--------------------spanish phrygian scaleI - bII - III - IV - V - bVI - bVIIthis scale has a number of names, but it is the fifth mode of the harmonic minor scale. It is the phrygian mode but with a major 3rd rather than a minor 3rd.D ----------------------------0---2---A ---------------0---2---3-------------E --0---1---4--------------------------There you go, that's my theory lesson for the day. I doubt whether anyone cares but it is a good swap for the same old minor pentatonic solo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 I like the japanese one its sounds mysterious! I also like the one he does in Holy Wars which is a clean egyptian style scale. I was so exited when he did it at Glasgow Barrowlands but he fucked it up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Craig_HexPen* Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Hungarian --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3--5--6------------------------------------------------------------------------3---5--6------------------------------------------D--------------------------3---5----7-----------------------------------------------------A--------------4---5---6------------------------------------------------------------------E---3---5---6------------------------------------------------------------------------------A spanish thing i made up .....-----------------------------------------------------------------------11---12--------------------------------------------------------------------------------10-- 12 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------8--9--11---------------------------------------------D-------------------------------7---9---10---------------------------------------------------------A-----------------7---9---10-----------------------------------------------------------------------E----7---8--10-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Craig_HexPen* Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 another eeeeeeeeeeeeeegyptian typed thing i made up.....--------------------------------------------------7----------------------------------------------------------------------9---10-------------------------------------------------------------7---9--10------------------------------------------------------------7---9---10-------------------------------------------------------------------7---8------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 23, 2004 Report Share Posted March 23, 2004 Cool cool. Here a riff I wrote a wee while back. Its a sweep pick/string skip thing (fuck it I dont know the terms)It in open D----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------12----14---------------13-----15--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------12----14-------0---0---13-----15------0----0----------------------------------I dont know, I have never really written tabs before lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted March 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I think Hog means 'drop D' and string skip rather than sweep picking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted March 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by *Craig_HexPen*:another eeeeeeeeeeeeeegyptian typed thing i made up.....--------------------------------------------------7----------------------------------------------------------------------9---10-------------------------------------------------------------7---9--10------------------------------------------------------------7---9---10-------------------------------------------------------------------7---8------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That's kinda simlilar to the kumoi one...sounds ace.Although is that the 'full' scale' because there is no major 3rd on the first octave, but a major third on the second octave (9th fret on B string)?Here's one for you Craig. Take a full 7 note scale (can be a mode or the Hungarian scale, or whatever) and take out any 2 of the notes (eg the 3rd and 6th or the 4th and 7th) so it now makes a pentatonic scale. You can come up with some pretty cool runs cos you're limited by the notes you can play so there will be some big intervals between certain sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Dan Atom:I think Hog means 'drop D' and string skip rather than sweep picking... Aye thats the one:cheers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayeth Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I like the way Hog describes things,when you say "egyptian style scale", everyone knows what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Dayeth:I like the way Hog describes things,when you say "egyptian style scale", everyone knows what you mean. A # major minor pentatonic augmented two hand tapping pinched chord on the fifth:laughing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ibid Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 It's a side step tortoise scale with doornob turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Craig_HexPen* Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 Originally posted by Dan Atom:That's kinda simlilar to the kumoi one...sounds ace.Although is that the 'full' scale' because there is no major 3rd on the first octave, but a major third on the second octave (9th fret on B string)?Here's one for you Craig. Take a full 7 note scale (can be a mode or the Hungarian scale, or whatever) and take out any 2 of the notes (eg the 3rd and 6th or the 4th and 7th) so it now makes a pentatonic scale. You can come up with some pretty cool runs cos you're limited by the notes you can play so there will be some big intervals between certain sections. I dunno if theres more to that scale its just something i worked out using my ear(s) Il try out your sudgestion Recently iv been trying outimprovising using octave displacement along with altered tensions. sounds mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayeth Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 The former two post of the last three amuse me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Karloff Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by Dan Atom:spanish phrygian scaleI - bII - III - IV - V - bVI - bVIIthis scale has a number of names, but it is the fifth mode of the harmonic minor scale. It is the phrygian mode but with a major 3rd rather than a minor 3rd.D ----------------------------0---2---A ---------------0---2---3-------------E --0---1---4--------------------------There you go, that's my theory lesson for the day. I doubt whether anyone cares but it is a good swap for the same old minor pentatonic solo's. As used by Metallica in "Wherever I may Roam", unless Rob's ears and fingers deceive him....Great feel to it, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Originally posted by *Craig_HexPen*:Il try out your sudgestion Recently iv been trying outimprovising using octave displacement along with altered tensions. sounds mad I'm not really one for the whole mega dissonant or dischordant sounding chords, but I really like the use of weird chords (often two different ones played by two guitarists) that sound really NICE together, for example these chords sound ace, although you have to arpeggiate some of them to make them sound really nice.e ------------------B ---7-------------G ---8-------------D ---6-------------A ---7-------------E ---0--------------e ---5---------------B ---3--------------G ---6--------------D ---4--------------A -----------------E ------------------e --------------5--B ----------0------G ------5----------D ---2-------------A -----------------E ------------------e ------------------1--B --------------4-----G ----------3---------D -------1------------A ---2----------------E --------------------I'm not sure what they are all specifically called, but note wise from top to bottom they appear to be:Emaj7add9F#m6Em6(no 3rd)add 11 Bmaj7b5(I don't know if those are right, but the notes are correct) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Re: Re: exotic scales....?Originally posted by Rob Karloff:As used by Metallica in "Wherever I may Roam", unless Rob's ears and fingers deceive him....Great feel to it, eh? Yeah thats a beauty rob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundian Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Re: Re: exotic scales....?Originally posted by Rob Karloff:As used by Metallica in "Wherever I may Roam", unless Rob's ears and fingers deceive him....Great feel to it, eh? Try chucking in the 3rd fret on the E string as well. Instant pink panther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Karloff Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Re: Re: Re: exotic scales....?Originally posted by soundian:Try chucking in the 3rd fret on the E string as well. Instant pink panther. I noticed that one too.... Figured I might get ribbed if I mentioned it tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted March 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Yeah Rob, you're right! the Wherever I May Roam solo is aweome... although Kirk uses the scale quite differently to other shred guitarists, and puts quite a bluesy feel to it. Still great though, and one of my favourite Metallica solos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisc Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Software for guitar tuitionMay or may nor be useful but I wrote a piece of software a (long) while back for teaching scales. You can get a general idea of what it does by looking at the pictures at :http://www.webprofusion.com/scalex/Anyone wants to try it out go ahead and download it, you need to have the microsoft.net framework installed first, otherwise you won't have any luck running it.I've been toying with the idea of going back and finishing it but I dunno if there's a market for it - it would need a lot of polish and stuff added like being able to edit your own tunings/scales etc before it would be particularly useful..The ancient DOS version is surprisingly useful if you can figure out how to work it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superterrorizer Posted April 14, 2004 Report Share Posted April 14, 2004 The hirajoshi(japanese) scale is quite fun to fuck around with too:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmygoodein Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 i made up this medievil type scale:|---------------------------------------------------||----------7-9-10-9-7-----------------------------||-7-9-10---------------10-9-7-9---10-9-7-6-7--|------|----------------------------------------------------| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan G Posted April 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Originally posted by Jimmygoodein:i made up this medievil type scale:|---------------------------------------------------||----------7-9-10-9-7-----------------------------||-7-9-10---------------10-9-7-9---10-9-7-6-7--|------|----------------------------------------------------| You didn't make it up...it's called the (E) Harmonic Minor scale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psydoll Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Originally posted by Dan Atom:I know it isn't 'cool' to play solos anymore...[/quote Tell that to The Darkness Mind you they're not exactly cool themselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feeble! Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 It is cool to play solos!It is I tells ya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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