ok so i tried not to comment on this thread coz its always full of mindless coments but ah well, i bought up the bracket in 2002 when i wasnt a huge music fan, yeah i liked indie music and didnt like pop music at all but i wasnt a huge gig go-er or whatever. From the first time i heard the album i was amazed, for me it was everything u could want in an album. Got really into the libertines and loved the demos that pete put out over the net. Hes been amazing when ever ive seen him live and the libertines were the best live band going at that time. Whatever people say, the libertines woke up a very quiet music scene. Then pete got hard into his drugs and everything changed. The second album is not what either pete or carl wanted and was hugely dissapointing, although songs like music when the lights go out and the man who would be king are amazing. Pete could have went onto huge things and his music could have done the talking, but it never happened. However seen dirty pretty things live and they were great, carl gets overlooked for the work he put into the libertines.